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Topic Started: Jul 21 2013, 07:12 PM (656 Views)
FamousBueller
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Ssj Goku 50% > Ussj Trunks

if Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% is trunks above 50% goku as well?

Also Is Piccolo after HTC above 16?

this is what I have for the cell saga

Ssj2 Gohan (hidden power) > Ultimate Perfect Cell > Ultra Perfect Cell > Ssj2 Gohan > Perfect Cell (max) > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Goku 100% > Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Trunks (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% > Ussj Trunks > Perfect Cell > Assj Vegeta > Assj Trunks > Semi Perfect Cell > Cell (post nicki) >= 16 > Kamiccolo >= 17 > 18 > Cell (post ginger) > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Goku > Ssj Trunks > Piccolo > 20 > 19 > Vegeta > Goku > Trunks > Gohan > Krillin > Tien > Yamcha > Chaotzu

and for buu saga (using anime and manga)
Ssj Vegeto > Buuhan >= Vegeto > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > Ssj3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > Ssj Gotenks (post htc) > Ssj3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Gotenks (post htc) > Fat Buu > Gotenks > Good Buu > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post zsword) > Ssj2 Majin Vegeta = Ssj2 Goku > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post fat buu) >=< Ssj2 Kid Gohan > Ssj2 Teen Gohan > Ssj Gohan (angry) > Dabura > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Trunks >= Ssj Goten > Kamiccolo > 18 > Krillin > Tien > Yamcha > Olibu

The anime shows Yamcha to be stronger than Olibu who was almost = to Pikkon (Pikkon had his weights on) and im not sure how strong Tien is at this time

but I do know 18 (cell saga) is weaker than Pikkon or Olibu, only way Yamcha who is weaker than Krillin to be stronger than Olibu is 18 and Krillin both trained and got stronger


let me know what you agree and disagree on, remember im trying to combined the manga and the anime which I know is basically impossible
Edited by FamousBueller, Jul 21 2013, 10:18 PM.
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USSJ Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell > 50% SSJ Goku

Piccolo is stronger than Semi Cell or ASSJ Vegeta or then he wouldn't have asked if he would be any help against Initial Perfect Cell.
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I go with 50% Goku > Trunks.

Yes Piccolo should be definitly above 16 at this point.

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if Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% is trunks above 50% goku as well?

Also Is Piccolo after HTC above 16?

Yes to both questions.
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Ssj2 Gohan (hidden power) > Ultimate Perfect Cell > Ultra Perfect Cell > Ssj2 Gohan > Perfect Cell (max) > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Goku 100% > Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Trunks (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% > Ussj Trunks > Perfect Cell > Assj Vegeta > Assj Trunks > Semi Perfect Cell > Cell (post nicki) >= 16 > Kamiccolo >= 17 > 18 > Cell (post ginger) > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Goku > Ssj Trunks > Piccolo > 20 > 19 > Vegeta > Goku > Trunks > Gohan > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Chaotzu

1) Ultra Perfect Cell is I'm assuming the buff Cell. He shouldn't be stronger than Gohan, then.
2) Krillin should be stronger than Tenshinhan. This is a fact from Toriyama himself.
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and for buu saga (using anime and manga)
Ssj Vegeto > Buuhan >= Vegeto > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > Ssj3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > Ssj Gotenks (post htc) > Ssj3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Gotenks (post htc) > Fat Buu > Gotenks > Good Buu > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post zsword) > Ssj2 Majin Vegeta = Ssj2 Goku > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post fat buu) >=< Ssj2 Kid Gohan > Ssj2 Teen Gohan > Ssj Gohan (angry) > Dabura > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Trunks >= Ssj Goten > Kamiccolo > 18 > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Olibu

Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.
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The anime shows Yamcha to be stronger than Olibu who was almost = to Pikkon (Pikkon had his weights on) and im not sure how strong Tien is at this time

but I do know 18 (cell saga) is weaker than Pikkon or Olibu, only way Yamcha who is weaker than Krillin to be stronger than Olibu is 18 and Krillin both trained and got stronger

Yamcha was tooling Olibu if I recall correctly. Krillin was shown to be even stronger than Yamcha, and the two were stated to be Plan B against Pure Boo, indirectly asserting that they were both stronger than Paikuhan, who was much stronger than Olibu without his weights on.

It's shown in filler that No.18 and Krillin trained together, at least in preparation for the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. Krillin was also able to spar evenly with Base Goten on the Lookout.

Tenshinhan's strength is unknown, but he's certainly weaker than Krillin in the anime, and should factually be weaker in the manga as well (though you'll never get some people to accept that a guy who always trains can't surpass someone who hadn't trained for a good seven years, despite that not being a valid argument). He doesn't get any hax in the anime, and he's called a pesky fly in the manga by Bootenks. Krillin also didn't have any qualms with being able to beat Tenshinhan in the tournament if he showed up, though I can't remember if this was an anime-only line.

Might I ask why you're trying to combine the anime and manga?
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Jul 21 2013, 07:33 PM
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if Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% is trunks above 50% goku as well?

Also Is Piccolo after HTC above 16?

Yes to both questions.
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Ssj2 Gohan (hidden power) > Ultimate Perfect Cell > Ultra Perfect Cell > Ssj2 Gohan > Perfect Cell (max) > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Goku 100% > Ssj Vegeta (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Trunks (post htc 2nd time) > Ssj Goku 50% > Ussj Trunks > Perfect Cell > Assj Vegeta > Assj Trunks > Semi Perfect Cell > Cell (post nicki) >= 16 > Kamiccolo >= 17 > 18 > Cell (post ginger) > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Goku > Ssj Trunks > Piccolo > 20 > 19 > Vegeta > Goku > Trunks > Gohan > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Chaotzu

1) Ultra Perfect Cell is I'm assuming the buff Cell. He shouldn't be stronger than Gohan, then.
2) Krillin should be stronger than Tenshinhan. This is a fact from Toriyama himself.
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and for buu saga (using anime and manga)
Ssj Vegeto > Buuhan >= Vegeto > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > Ssj3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > Ssj Gotenks (post htc) > Ssj3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Gotenks (post htc) > Fat Buu > Gotenks > Good Buu > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post zsword) > Ssj2 Majin Vegeta = Ssj2 Goku > Ssj2 Teen Gohan (post fat buu) >=< Ssj2 Kid Gohan > Ssj2 Teen Gohan > Ssj Gohan (angry) > Dabura > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Trunks >= Ssj Goten > Kamiccolo > 18 > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Olibu

Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.
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The anime shows Yamcha to be stronger than Olibu who was almost = to Pikkon (Pikkon had his weights on) and im not sure how strong Tien is at this time

but I do know 18 (cell saga) is weaker than Pikkon or Olibu, only way Yamcha who is weaker than Krillin to be stronger than Olibu is 18 and Krillin both trained and got stronger

Yamcha was tooling Olibu if I recall correctly. Krillin was shown to be even stronger than Yamcha, and the two were stated to be Plan B against Pure Boo, indirectly asserting that they were both stronger than Paikuhan, who was much stronger than Olibu without his weights on.

It's shown in filler that No.18 and Krillin trained together, at least in preparation for the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. Krillin was also able to spar evenly with Base Goten on the Lookout.

Tenshinhan's strength is unknown, but he's certainly weaker than Krillin in the anime, and should factually be weaker in the manga as well (though you'll never get some people to accept that a guy who always trains can't surpass someone who hadn't trained for a good seven years, despite that not being a valid argument). He doesn't get any hax in the anime, and he's called a pesky fly in the manga by Bootenks. Krillin also didn't have any qualms with being able to beat Tenshinhan in the tournament if he showed up, though I can't remember if this was an anime-only line.

Might I ask why you're trying to combine the anime and manga?
Workin on a new power level list but I want to include both the manga and anime which a lot of people don't do

Also I can see Krillin getting that much stronger with 18 as a sparring partner, tien only trains with chaotzu so he wouldn't get that much stronger, chaotzu would......Yamcha I have no clue how in 7 years he is stronger than pikkon or olibu since he "Retired" or did no training smh that's the anime for you lol
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Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.

Well we know Saiyans (including half saiyans) get zenkais when they recover from near death. We know that Gohan was near death. 2 + 2 = 4?
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Jul 21 2013, 10:23 PM
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Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.

Well we know Saiyans (including half saiyans) get zenkais when they recover from near death. We know that goes was near death. 2 + 2 = 4?
I think, he is going by Saiyans, not receiving Zenkais (at least, not noticable), after having SSjin (unlocked).
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Jul 21 2013, 10:23 PM
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Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.

Well we know Saiyans (including half saiyans) get zenkais when they recover from near death. We know that goes was near death. 2 + 2 = 4?
I believe he got a zenkai from Fat Buu and by Buutenks

from Fat Buu I don't know how much stronger he got but I do remember him saying something like I feel a lot stronger or something like that, he wanted to go fight buu after kibito healed him.......with Buutenks I don't think he got a big zenkai
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Jul 21 2013, 10:35 PM
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Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Boo as far as we know, so he shouldn't be any stronger after he's revived by Kibito. After the Z-Sword he should arguably be on Fat Boo's level.

Well we know Saiyans (including half saiyans) get zenkais when they recover from near death. We know that goes was near death. 2 + 2 = 4?
I believe he got a zenkai from Fat Buu and by Buutenks

from Fat Buu I don't know how much stronger he got but I do remember him saying something like I feel a lot stronger or something like that, he wanted to go fight buu after kibito healed him.......with Buutenks I don't think he got a big zenkai
Toriyama made a specific comment to show Gohan didn't get a zenkai from Buutenks:
Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P8.4-5
Context: after Dende heals Gohan
Boo: “Impossible…! He’s revived back to normal…! Who was that weird little runt?...But naturally, he’s merely returned to normal…It’s not like he’s powered up…He’s merely extended…the time that he’ll suffer…”

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I think, he is going by Saiyans, not receiving Zenkais (at least, not noticable), after having SSjin (unlocked).

I disagree that they disappeared altogether since absolutely nothing supports that. I have no problems that none of them (other than Cell's) caused a decent increase though.
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I'm with Clearin. I think they still existed, it's just that they were so insignificant that they didn't even matter.

If Gohan went up to Kid Gohan's level of power, it wouldn't really contradict anything. It's not an enormous jump and even if it was, it's quickly overshadowed by Z-sword training.
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yea I can agree gohan didn't receive a zenkai from buutenks but im pretty sure he did from fat buu

Gohan prolly didn't receive one just like he didn't against dabura or how vegeta and goku didn't receive one after their battle


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what about DB?

Master Roshi > Grandpa Gohan > Ox King > Goku > Chi Chi > Yamcha > Puar = Oolong > Bulma

Master Roshi >= Goku >= Nam > Lanfan > Krillin > Bacterian > Yamcha

Goku (post korin) > Tao > Master Roshi > Blue > Krillin > Red Ribbon Army > Yamcha

Goku (post water) >= King Piccolo (post wish) > Drum > King Piccolo > Goku = Tien = Yajirobe > Cymbol = Tamborine > Master Roshi > Master Shen > Krillin > Yamcha > Chaotzu

Goku (w/o weights) >= Piccolo (w/o weights) > Goku = Tien = Piccolo > Kami > Krillin > Yamcha > Yajirobe > Cyborg Tao > Chaotzu
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I don't disagree with him getting one, but I don't really agree with it being enough to put him back to his kid self's level of power. That was described as a very large gap.
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Why is Krillin weaker than Ranfan and Nam? Ranfan is definitely weaker than Krillin. Nam is questionable but I think Krillin could beat him if he avoids the sky attack.
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