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SSjin3 Gohan (Post Zeta-Sword) vs Janemba (Transformed)
Topic Started: Jul 19 2013, 11:32 PM (4,091 Views)
mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 08:02 PM Post #76
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 22 2013, 08:01 PM
mechasilver3000
Jul 22 2013, 07:59 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 22 2013, 06:34 PM
Hahaha Bio Broly SSJ 2? He can't even do anything to the kids.

It's not April fools day either, so end the joke.
It is stated by Takao that the next villain is always stronger than the previous one at the least, most of you guys have no problem in saying that goku is haxed in M12 but no one can say that the kids are haxed in M11, the burden of proof is on yours
I don't think Goku is haxed at all in M12, so your argument is invalid.
But some people do so my argument is valid
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+ Pyrus Jul 22 2013, 08:10 PM Post #77
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 No, the burden would be on you to prove the boys and Krillin were haxed to keep up with a Super Saiyan 2 opponent, just like it would be on someone to prove a character was haxed in a movie.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 08:21 PM Post #78
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Jul 22 2013, 08:10 PM
No, the burden would be on you to prove the boys and Krillin were haxed to keep up with a Super Saiyan 2 opponent, just like it would be on someone to prove a character was haxed in a movie.
The proof is that Takao, the main writter of the movies stated that the next movie villain is always stronger than the previous one which suggest that Bio Broly is stronger than his movie 10 counterpart that was ssj2 tier, deal with it
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+ Pyrus Jul 22 2013, 08:25 PM Post #79
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Jul 22 2013, 08:21 PM
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Jul 22 2013, 08:10 PM
No, the burden would be on you to prove the boys and Krillin were haxed to keep up with a Super Saiyan 2 opponent, just like it would be on someone to prove a character was haxed in a movie.
The proof is that Takao, the main writter of the movies stated that the next movie villain is always stronger than the previous one which suggest that Bio Broly is stronger than his movie 10 counterpart that was ssj2 tier, deal with it
What's the source of that interview, by the way?
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EMIYA Jul 22 2013, 08:26 PM Post #80
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 And Takao's statement is instantly contradicted by the fact that:

Broly>Bojack

Or Bojack>Bio Broly

That's not prove, that's an inconsistent statement by a person with no backings or proof to declare such a statement true.

We can say Goku was haxed in movie 13, or at least Gohan and Gotenks were nerfed, because the feats express such a thing.

We can say Goku in movie 5 was haxed, because the feats and statements support such a thing.

Nothing supports Goten, Trunks, Krillin or broly being at the SSj2 level. All you're using is some simplified statement that is instantly contradicted later on.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 08:40 PM Post #81
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Jul 22 2013, 08:26 PM
And Takao's statement is instantly contradicted by the fact that:

Broly>Bojack

Or Bojack>Bio Broly

That's not prove, that's an inconsistent statement by a person with no backings or proof to declare such a statement true.

We can say Goku was haxed in movie 13, or at least Gohan and Gotenks were nerfed, because the feats express such a thing.

We can say Goku in movie 5 was haxed, because the feats and statements support such a thing.

Nothing supports Goten, Trunks, Krillin or broly being at the SSj2 level. All you're using is some simplified statement that is instantly contradicted later on.
Bojack is stronger than M8 Broly, I can't believe you wasn0t smart enough to figure it out by yourself, M10 Broly>Bojack>M8 Broly, a simplified statement from the one who wrote the movies and that knows about the movie and is not contradicted, Bio Broly is stronger than M10 Broly as stated by Takao and everything supports that goten and trunks are ssj2 tiers in the movie as they were able to fight Bio Broly who is stated to be above his previous form
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* Yu Narukami Jul 22 2013, 08:42 PM Post #82
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Izanagi!

 OVA's technically a movie, so Abo and Cado > Hildegarn?
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+ Clearin Jul 22 2013, 08:46 PM Post #83
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 Maybe I'm wrong but I think there was actually some evidence that Turles after two fruits is actually stronger than Lord Slug, as long as the second fruit provided the same boost as the first.
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EMIYA Jul 22 2013, 08:47 PM Post #84
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Bojack at full power was barely able to take on SSJ Kid Gohan without getting help from his lackeys. Movie 8 Broly has the feats to put him around Full Powered Perfect Cell.

Once again, Takao statements don't prove anything because they have no backing. It would be like if Akira Toriyama said that Gohan was an SSj2 against Dabura or that SSj Goten and Trunks rival Freeza. It would be wrong and it wouldn't matter if he he's the author or not, his as well as Takao statement has no backing to its claim and is contradicted by the source material we're given.

Takao could up and say that that Goten in movie 11 was Gohan Boo tier and it would be wrong, because again, nothing supports it, it's a statement that is faulty, its a statement that is a contradicted and lastly, it would be a statement that is without plausible connection. Therefore, it is a statement that you do not accept because again, there is nothing to support it.

Here's a thing, there are two things you have to do when your proving something.

1.) You need a statement and/or if even better a feat which of course is physical proof of the statement.

2.) You need to look at the context of the situation and how it goes.

What we have is the statement:

"All movies villains are stronger after the next"

The context is:

"Not all movie villains end up being stronger than the other and there is no proof, indication, material, statement, feat or otherwise to prove such a thing.

conclusion:

"All movie villains are stronger than the last one" is a contradictory statement and has no merit in an argument.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 08:48 PM Post #85
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Jul 22 2013, 08:42 PM
OVA's technically a movie, so Abo and Cado > Hildegarn?
Where did you get that? OVAS aren't movies, there is a manga version of goku and his friends whatever called ova and a OVA is mostly an spin off of the series
Bojack was above ssj gohan even in his base form as gohan said that bojack's power was amazing even before he saw his full power form, the daizenshuu states that the vegeta that fought Broly is the same one that fought semi cell aka Super Vegeta and goku was shocked when broly tanked vegeta kick on the neck which implies that there is not a huge gap between goku and vegeta in M8 while in the cell games there was a huge gap between them and you must be stupid if you thing that 1st post rosat vegeta is close to cell games goku, bojack easily beated way stronger z fighters while broly got one shotted bby a half dead goku with energy of half dead saiyans and a half dead namek
Goku stated that Slug ki was completely different from any other ki that he had ever felt which suggest that base slug>>turles after the 2nd fruit
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RealSociedad Jul 22 2013, 08:52 PM Post #86
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Goku was doing good against Super Janemba until his energy was getting less. Still, I have Goku SSJ3 little less behind Janemba. And Goku didnt know if Gohan SSJ2 (Post-sword) could take on Fat Buu. So it goes by my multplier like this:

SSJ3 Gohan (Post-Sword)>> Super Jameba>= Goku SSJ3>= Gohan SSJ2 (Post Sword) ~ Fat Buu

SSJ3 Gohan stomps.
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EMIYA Jul 22 2013, 08:57 PM Post #87
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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"The phantom majin Hildegarn is a formidable opponent capable of trading blows evenly with even Super Saiyan 3 Goku, but since Janenba from the previous work "The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta" could beat back Super Saiyan 3 Goku, strength-wise this makes him No.2 out of the movie series enemies."


this right here completely contradicts the whole "Next movie villain is always stronger also.
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* Yu Narukami Jul 22 2013, 08:59 PM Post #88
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Izanagi!
mechasilver3000
Jul 22 2013, 08:48 PM
the daizenshuu states that the vegeta that fought Broly is the same one that fought semi cell aka Super Vegeta and goku was shocked when broly tanked vegeta kick on the neck which implies that there is not a huge gap between goku and vegeta in M8 while in the cell games there was a huge gap between them and you must be stupid if you thing that 1st post rosat vegeta is close to cell games goku
I'll tackle this all at once

Which Daiz was this?

There isn't a humongous gap between CG Vegeta and CG Goku. Most go with a 25/30% gap, which would still be reason for Goku to be shocked that a kick did absolutely nothing.
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+ Pyrus Jul 22 2013, 08:59 PM Post #89
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 I hardly have to do this. You guys are taking care of business quite well.

By the way, this guy reminds me of someone.
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Zenet Jul 22 2013, 09:47 PM Post #90
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mechasilver3000
Jul 22 2013, 08:40 PM
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Jul 22 2013, 08:26 PM
And Takao's statement is instantly contradicted by the fact that:

Broly>Bojack

Or Bojack>Bio Broly

That's not prove, that's an inconsistent statement by a person with no backings or proof to declare such a statement true.

We can say Goku was haxed in movie 13, or at least Gohan and Gotenks were nerfed, because the feats express such a thing.

We can say Goku in movie 5 was haxed, because the feats and statements support such a thing.

Nothing supports Goten, Trunks, Krillin or broly being at the SSj2 level. All you're using is some simplified statement that is instantly contradicted later on.
Bojack is stronger than M8 Broly, I can't believe you wasn0t smart enough to figure it out by yourself, M10 Broly>Bojack>M8 Broly, a simplified statement from the one who wrote the movies and that knows about the movie and is not contradicted, Bio Broly is stronger than M10 Broly as stated by Takao and everything supports that goten and trunks are ssj2 tiers in the movie as they were able to fight Bio Broly who is stated to be above his previous form
Technically Bio Broly isn't a new villain it is basically the same villain covered with bio liquid. The kids can't be haxed since the movies use the same characters from the anime timeline.
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