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SSjin3 Gohan (Post Zeta-Sword) vs Janemba (Transformed)
Topic Started: Jul 19 2013, 11:32 PM (4,092 Views)
+ Clearin Jul 21 2013, 02:06 PM Post #61
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Drew
Jul 21 2013, 02:04 PM
Doesn't Vegeta literally state that he couldn't train because he didn't have a body?
Which somehow didn't stop him from being haxed when he came back to life in the Anime.
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* Yu Narukami Jul 21 2013, 02:08 PM Post #62
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Izanagi!

 Am I correct in saying that Vegeta didn't do anything notable until Vegetto split?

SSJ2 Vegeta (Post-Split) >>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Vegeta (@Boohan) ~ SSJ2 Vegeta (Post-Majin)
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+ Clearin Jul 21 2013, 02:11 PM Post #63
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 He put up a decent fight agaisnt Buuhan. That's the only fight he had before fusing though, but what does it matter? After that his fight agaisnt Gotenks (inside Buu) and even Kid Buu, since in the Anime he gets a couple of good hits in on Kid Buu who is much stronger than his canon self, imply hax.
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+ Pyrus Jul 21 2013, 03:28 PM Post #64
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 He gets up after the first beat down by Pure Boo, who is quite clearly in shock, implying Boo intended to put him down with that.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 04:42 PM Post #65
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Clearin
Jul 21 2013, 03:17 AM
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He is saying that he had a hard time finding someone after Broly, he is the main writer of the movies and knows about the movie than toei, besides TOEI is wrong, Hirudegarn only hitted goku once and was already weakened as trunks cut his tail and it doesn't mention that goku beated him with a haxed tecnique, Hirudegarn>>>>>>>>Super Janemba

Sorry going with the creators word on this one over fan word. The only requirements for Janemba > Hirudegarn is haxing Goku in movie 12 which is Toei's style anyway.
Goku mentioned Fat buu meaning that the goku that is in M12 is as strong as the goku that fought fat buu, saying that goku is haxed is baseless
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 04:46 PM Post #66
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Clearin
Jul 21 2013, 01:01 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 21 2013, 03:55 AM
Because the topic of Janemba > Hirudegarn is very redundant, and spam in itself.
Actually even disregarding the quote saying Janemba is stronger it still wouldn't be spam because nothing actually says which of the two is stronger. If Goku was haxed in movie 12 then there would be a chance Janemba is stronger with or without any evidence. It's just that the only quote directly comparing the two puts Janemba above, basically just confirming Goku was haxed. But yeah it's far from spam anyway.

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I honestly don't even remember the quote. Do you know if you can post it?


"The phantom majin Hildegarn is a formidable opponent capable of trading blows evenly with even Super Saiyan 3 Goku, but since Janenba from the previous work "The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta" could beat back Super Saiyan 3 Goku, strength-wise this makes him No.2 out of the movie series enemies."
Goku isn't haxed in M12, that is a baseless assumption, Hirudegarn one shotted mystic gohan while janemba got one shotted by ssj gogeta,Hirudegarn>>>> mystic gohan>>>>ssj gogeta>>>>janemba, the quote says that he and goku traded blows but that never happened and the main writter of the movies confirmed that Janemba is weaker than hirudegarn
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+ Clearin Jul 22 2013, 04:54 PM Post #67
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 Goku being haxed in movie 12 would be baseless (although still very possible going by Toei's style of doing things) but we do have a basis for it, that being the statement that Janemba > Hirudegarn. You claim it's impossible because Ultimate Gohan > SSj Gogeta but imo that only means Gogeta/Vegeta are also haxed, Goku's hax by himself means nothing.

And Goku may have not "traded blows" with Hirudegarn so to speak but he did actually block one of them and even took two of them very well which imo does show that he may be near his power.

And try not to double post please.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 05:58 PM Post #68
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Clearin
Jul 22 2013, 04:54 PM
Goku being haxed in movie 12 would be baseless (although still very possible going by Toei's style of doing things) but we do have a basis for it, that being the statement that Janemba > Hirudegarn. You claim it's impossible because Ultimate Gohan > SSj Gogeta but imo that only means Gogeta/Vegeta are also haxed, Goku's hax by himself means nothing.

And Goku may have not "traded blows" with Hirudegarn so to speak but he did actually block one of them and even took two of them very well which imo does show that he may be near his power.

And try not to double post please.
Too bad because the main writter of the movies stated that Hirudegarn was stronger than janemba, he knows what he is talking about as he made the movies while TOEI only cares about making money, gogeta is not haxed, vegeta is not haxed, goku is not haxed, Hirudegarn>>>>>Janemba as stated by Takao, Hirudegarn was already weakened after Trunks just cut his tail off and had to use his strongest attack to beat him, Hirudegarn one shots Janemba, goku is not haxed in M12
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+ Clearin Jul 22 2013, 06:03 PM Post #69
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Jul 22 2013, 05:58 PM
Clearin
Jul 22 2013, 04:54 PM
Goku being haxed in movie 12 would be baseless (although still very possible going by Toei's style of doing things) but we do have a basis for it, that being the statement that Janemba > Hirudegarn. You claim it's impossible because Ultimate Gohan > SSj Gogeta but imo that only means Gogeta/Vegeta are also haxed, Goku's hax by himself means nothing.

And Goku may have not "traded blows" with Hirudegarn so to speak but he did actually block one of them and even took two of them very well which imo does show that he may be near his power.

And try not to double post please.
Too bad because the main writter of the movies stated that Hirudegarn was stronger than janemba, he knows what he is talking about as he made the movies while TOEI only cares about making money, gogeta is not haxed, vegeta is not haxed, goku is not haxed, Hirudegarn>>>>>Janemba as stated by Takao, Hirudegarn was already weakened after Trunks just cut his tail off and had to use his strongest attack to beat him, Hirudegarn one shots Janemba, goku is not haxed in M12
That quote doesn't even directly compare Hirudegarn and Jenamba, it's just a generic quote that has been used in regards to the series too (Toriyama stating each villain is stronger than the last one - which isn't strictly true). The quote itself is proven wrong via Bio Broly, not to mention the fact it misses out Bojack entirely somewhat negating it's trustworthiness. We do have a direct quote between them though, so even taking both quotes into account it only gives us a rather conflicting pair of facts which basically leaves it up to the viewer to decide. In the case that the two statements cancel each other out it'd be pretty much impossible to say if Goku was haxed or not, it's certainly possible though given Toei's history.

Also where does Hirudegarn getting weaker once his tail gets cut off come from? Is it a guidebook or the movie itself? It's been a while since I saw it in Japanese.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 06:12 PM Post #70
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Clearin
Jul 22 2013, 06:03 PM
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Jul 22 2013, 05:58 PM
Clearin
Jul 22 2013, 04:54 PM
Goku being haxed in movie 12 would be baseless (although still very possible going by Toei's style of doing things) but we do have a basis for it, that being the statement that Janemba > Hirudegarn. You claim it's impossible because Ultimate Gohan > SSj Gogeta but imo that only means Gogeta/Vegeta are also haxed, Goku's hax by himself means nothing.

And Goku may have not "traded blows" with Hirudegarn so to speak but he did actually block one of them and even took two of them very well which imo does show that he may be near his power.

And try not to double post please.
Too bad because the main writter of the movies stated that Hirudegarn was stronger than janemba, he knows what he is talking about as he made the movies while TOEI only cares about making money, gogeta is not haxed, vegeta is not haxed, goku is not haxed, Hirudegarn>>>>>Janemba as stated by Takao, Hirudegarn was already weakened after Trunks just cut his tail off and had to use his strongest attack to beat him, Hirudegarn one shots Janemba, goku is not haxed in M12
That quote doesn't even directly compare Hirudegarn and Jenamba, it's just a generic quote that has been used in regards to the series too (Toriyama stating each villain is stronger than the last one - which isn't strictly true). The quote itself is proven wrong via Bio Broly, not to mention the fact it misses out Bojack entirely somewhat negating it's trustworthiness. We do have a direct quote between them though, so even taking both quotes into account it only gives us a rather conflicting pair of facts which basically leaves it up to the viewer to decide. In the case that the two statements cancel each other out it'd be pretty much impossible to say if Goku was haxed or not, it's certainly possible though given Toei's history.

Also where does Hirudegarn getting weaker once his tail gets cut off come from? Is it a guidebook or the movie itself? It's been a while since I saw it in Japanese.
M13 came after M12 and he stated the next movie villain is at the least stronger than the last one and Hirudegarn is the main villain of the movie so Hirudegarn>>>Janemba was stated, he didn,t forgot about Broly, he just said that he had a hard time to make someone stronger than Broly, and what does Bio Broly proves? this just shows us two options
1. The movie was made to make the kids the main characters
2. Bio Broly is ssj2 tier
If you think goku is haxed then there is no problem to think that the kids and 18 are haxed too in M11 but that still makes Hirudegarn stronger than janemba, TOEI doesn't know that they are talking about and the quote proves that they didn't even saw the movie as they claim they traded blows but they never did, goku mentioned fat buu meaning that goku is as strong as when he fought fat buu, Hirudegarn must have weakened after that attack as he screamed in pain and it is very doubtful that he didn't weakened, one quote came from guys that doesn't even know that they are talking about as they claimed false things while the other comes from someone that made the movies and knows what he is talking about, Hirudegarn one shots Super Janemba like a fly
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+ Pyrus Jul 22 2013, 06:16 PM Post #71
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 I'm finding it hard to take someone seriously who actually claims Bio-Broly is Super Saiyan 2 tier.

Clearin, please stop me.
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SSJ Jul 22 2013, 06:34 PM Post #72
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 Hahaha Bio Broly SSJ 2? He can't even do anything to the kids.

It's not April fools day either, so end the joke.
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EMIYA Jul 22 2013, 07:13 PM Post #73
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Goten and Trunks called Bio Broly "Slow" and in more than just one meaning of the word.

Heck, it was implied that if his arm wasn't injured, SSj Goten alone would've been able to fight Bio Broly.

As for Hirudengarn, the creature is stated to have 3 weaknesses.

1.) The property of the Music Box

2.) The Property of the sword the magician used against him.

3.) The fact that Hirudengarn has to be physical when he attacks (The Dub does some stupid crap on saying mean things or something. Because clearly Hildy give's or understands a **** on what you have to say to him.)
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mechasilver3000 Jul 22 2013, 07:59 PM Post #74
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 22 2013, 06:34 PM
Hahaha Bio Broly SSJ 2? He can't even do anything to the kids.

It's not April fools day either, so end the joke.
It is stated by Takao that the next villain is always stronger than the previous one at the least, most of you guys have no problem in saying that goku is haxed in M12 but no one can say that the kids are haxed in M11, the burden of proof is on yours
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SSJ Jul 22 2013, 08:01 PM Post #75
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Jul 22 2013, 07:59 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 22 2013, 06:34 PM
Hahaha Bio Broly SSJ 2? He can't even do anything to the kids.

It's not April fools day either, so end the joke.
It is stated by Takao that the next villain is always stronger than the previous one at the least, most of you guys have no problem in saying that goku is haxed in M12 but no one can say that the kids are haxed in M11, the burden of proof is on yours
I don't think Goku is haxed at all in M12, so your argument is invalid.
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