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SSjin3 Gohan (Post Zeta-Sword) vs Janemba (Transformed)
Topic Started: Jul 19 2013, 11:32 PM (4,095 Views)
* Yu Narukami Jul 20 2013, 04:44 PM Post #16
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Izanagi!

 SSJ Gogeta > SSJ Gotenks (Post) > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku (M12)> Initial Evil Boo > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > SSJ3 Goku (Canon) > SSJ2 Gohan (Post Zeta)

I think Gohan could pull it off. The gap's not impossible to fill and I think the SSJ3 multiplier's pretty large.
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mechasilver3000 Jul 20 2013, 06:24 PM Post #17
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Jul 20 2013, 02:44 PM
SSJ3 Zeta Gohan loses badly. Goku was the same haxed version from the anime who was stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Upon sensing the power of Janemba in his first form, Goku says that it is the strongest power he has ever felt. Given that he speaks of Majin Buu later, this indicates that Janemba in his first form is at above Majin Boo. The gap between Majin Boo and Goku wasn't that big. Meaning Goku was haxed in movie 12 since he overpowered Fat Janemba like nothing.

According to the Toei website for the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z movies, Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn, since Hirudegarn was capable of trading blows evenly with Super Saiyan 3 Goku while Super Janemba was stronger.

Super Janemba > > Boohan > > Bootenks > > Ultimate Gohan > > > Super Boo > > > > > SSJ Gotenks (Post) > > > > > SSJ3 Gohan (Post) Zeta)
I hope you realize that M12 was released before Buuhan existed and that goku compared Fat Janemba with fat buu not with another buu version, according to Takao Koyama the one main writter of the movies the last villain is always stronger than the last one which means Hirudegarn>>>Janemba
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/07/07/takao-koyamas-thoughts-on-battle-of-gods/
In topic it can go either way as both of them are equals
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+ Pyrus Jul 20 2013, 06:35 PM Post #18
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Jul 20 2013, 02:12 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 06:21 AM
Either Janemba has regeneration or Goku's attacks did nothing to him.
He actually might, if in a different way than we expect.

When Goku kicks Janemba, it's clear that Janemba is actually in a bit of pain. He didn't tank it or anything and it even falters him for a moment.. As for regeneration, we see Pikkon start yelling at Janemba breaking his face off. Next moment Janemba's reforming and his perfectly normal again.
He didn't seem too bothered by anything Goku did.
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Zenet Jul 20 2013, 06:40 PM Post #19
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mechasilver3000
Jul 20 2013, 06:24 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 02:44 PM
SSJ3 Zeta Gohan loses badly. Goku was the same haxed version from the anime who was stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Upon sensing the power of Janemba in his first form, Goku says that it is the strongest power he has ever felt. Given that he speaks of Majin Buu later, this indicates that Janemba in his first form is at above Majin Boo. The gap between Majin Boo and Goku wasn't that big. Meaning Goku was haxed in movie 12 since he overpowered Fat Janemba like nothing.

According to the Toei website for the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z movies, Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn, since Hirudegarn was capable of trading blows evenly with Super Saiyan 3 Goku while Super Janemba was stronger.

Super Janemba > > Boohan > > Bootenks > > Ultimate Gohan > > > Super Boo > > > > > SSJ Gotenks (Post) > > > > > SSJ3 Gohan (Post) Zeta)
I hope you realize that M12 was released before Buuhan existed and that goku compared Fat Janemba with fat buu not with another buu version, according to Takao Koyama the one main writter of the movies the last villain is always stronger than the last one.
Which part was that said?
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+ Clearin Jul 20 2013, 06:42 PM Post #20
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Jul 20 2013, 06:40 PM
mechasilver3000
Jul 20 2013, 06:24 PM
Cenet
Jul 20 2013, 02:44 PM
SSJ3 Zeta Gohan loses badly. Goku was the same haxed version from the anime who was stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Upon sensing the power of Janemba in his first form, Goku says that it is the strongest power he has ever felt. Given that he speaks of Majin Buu later, this indicates that Janemba in his first form is at above Majin Boo. The gap between Majin Boo and Goku wasn't that big. Meaning Goku was haxed in movie 12 since he overpowered Fat Janemba like nothing.

According to the Toei website for the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z movies, Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn, since Hirudegarn was capable of trading blows evenly with Super Saiyan 3 Goku while Super Janemba was stronger.

Super Janemba > > Boohan > > Bootenks > > Ultimate Gohan > > > Super Boo > > > > > SSJ Gotenks (Post) > > > > > SSJ3 Gohan (Post) Zeta)
I hope you realize that M12 was released before Buuhan existed and that goku compared Fat Janemba with fat buu not with another buu version, according to Takao Koyama the one main writter of the movies the last villain is always stronger than the last one.
Which part was that said?
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In handling the scripts for the films, what I always worried about each time was the problem of what to do about the opponent Goku fights against. That’s because, at the very least, they had to be stronger than [the ones from] the previous movie.
After much hard work, I was unable to come up with an opponent stronger than Broli, and fell into a rut where I made him appear three times.


Of course he seems to forget about Bojack so the quote isn't the most reliable thing ever...

Toei have said Janemba > Hirudegarn so it's about as canon as you can get for the movies.
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+ Pyrus Jul 20 2013, 06:50 PM Post #21
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 M12 and 13 are easier to place in BP comparisons at least, since they don't make a lick of sense.
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EMIYA Jul 20 2013, 06:52 PM Post #22
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Jul 20 2013, 06:35 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 02:12 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 06:21 AM
Either Janemba has regeneration or Goku's attacks did nothing to him.
He actually might, if in a different way than we expect.

When Goku kicks Janemba, it's clear that Janemba is actually in a bit of pain. He didn't tank it or anything and it even falters him for a moment.. As for regeneration, we see Pikkon start yelling at Janemba breaking his face off. Next moment Janemba's reforming and his perfectly normal again.
He didn't seem too bothered by anything Goku did.
During their initial scuffle, Goku lands several hard hits on Janemba and the guy is clearly showing grimaces of pain on his face. In fact until Janemba uses his mouth blast and brings out the sword, Goku actually looks like he's having a brief advantage over him. he keeps his face mostly straight, lands several hits on Janemba, dodges several of Janemba's attacks, etc.
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Sam Jul 20 2013, 07:03 PM Post #23
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 Janemba's got this. No unfused SSj3 can take Janemba at full power down.
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Alex D. Boss Jul 20 2013, 07:16 PM Post #24
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 Toei didn't said Janemba > Hildegarn at all , it was just a man from that studio who said such a thing , it isn't a factual information.
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EMIYA Jul 20 2013, 07:26 PM Post #25
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Jul 20 2013, 07:03 PM
Janemba's got this. No unfused SSj3 can take Janemba at full power down.
I don't know, considering your Amplifiers its very possible for Gohan to have this fight.

I for one have a very large SSj2 amplifier, around 7-10x and for SSj3 from 12-15x.

You can technically have Janemba much stronger than SSj3 Goku and Vegeta (Including any amplified attacks like KHH and stuff) and yet still have SSJ3 Zeta Gohan vastly stronger.

At the same time, I won't be surprised if someone still has Janemba stronger, most especially if they use a relatively smaller amplifier for SSj2 and SSJ3 or firmly believe that Janemba had such a massive gap over the others.

I'll assume that because they need fusion, even a combined attack from Goku and Vegeta would've proved useless against Janemba. But I'm also under the belief that SSJ3 Zeta Gohan could also take such a combined attack from the duo without any trouble either. Hence how I think its possible that Gohan might be able to win.
Edited by EMIYA, Jul 20 2013, 07:27 PM.
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+ Pyrus Jul 20 2013, 07:34 PM Post #26
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Jul 20 2013, 06:52 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 06:35 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 02:12 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 06:21 AM
Either Janemba has regeneration or Goku's attacks did nothing to him.
He actually might, if in a different way than we expect.

When Goku kicks Janemba, it's clear that Janemba is actually in a bit of pain. He didn't tank it or anything and it even falters him for a moment.. As for regeneration, we see Pikkon start yelling at Janemba breaking his face off. Next moment Janemba's reforming and his perfectly normal again.
He didn't seem too bothered by anything Goku did.
During their initial scuffle, Goku lands several hard hits on Janemba and the guy is clearly showing grimaces of pain on his face. In fact until Janemba uses his mouth blast and brings out the sword, Goku actually looks like he's having a brief advantage over him. he keeps his face mostly straight, lands several hits on Janemba, dodges several of Janemba's attacks, etc.

Janemba smiled after Goku's hits, though, and was clearly unaffected by some means overall. Then there's the argument of him not even being at full power at that point.
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Sjk8 Jul 20 2013, 07:34 PM Post #27
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Jul 20 2013, 07:26 PM
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Jul 20 2013, 07:03 PM
Janemba's got this. No unfused SSj3 can take Janemba at full power down.
I don't know, considering your Amplifiers its very possible for Gohan to have this fight.

I for one have a very large SSj2 amplifier, around 7-10x and for SSj3 from 12-15x.

You can technically have Janemba much stronger than SSj3 Goku and Vegeta (Including any amplified attacks like KHH and stuff) and yet still have SSJ3 Zeta Gohan vastly stronger.

At the same time, I won't be surprised if someone still has Janemba stronger, most especially if they use a relatively smaller amplifier for SSj2 and SSJ3 or firmly believe that Janemba had such a massive gap over the others.

I'll assume that because they need fusion, even a combined attack from Goku and Vegeta would've proved useless against Janemba. But I'm also under the belief that SSJ3 Zeta Gohan could also take such a combined attack from the duo without any trouble either. Hence how I think its possible that Gohan might be able to win.


Exactly.
It all depends on Ssj multipliers, and no official or canon info states that they have to be small.
Z base Gohan is way stronger than base Goku, since his Ssj2 shouldn't be that far from his father's Ssj3: accordingly, his Ssj3 would be much stronger.

Ssj3 Z Sword Gohan > Super Janemba > Ssj3 Goku > Ssj3 Gohan (pre Z sword) can work just fine.

(Obviously this is by following the manga, I don't care about Toei's order and placements).
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EMIYA Jul 20 2013, 07:40 PM Post #28
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"I am the bone of my sword."
ObsessiveFanGuy
Jul 20 2013, 07:34 PM
Brofist
Jul 20 2013, 06:52 PM
ObsessiveFanGuy
Jul 20 2013, 06:35 PM
Brofist
Jul 20 2013, 02:12 PM
ObsessiveFanGuy
Jul 20 2013, 06:21 AM
Either Janemba has regeneration or Goku's attacks did nothing to him.
He actually might, if in a different way than we expect.

When Goku kicks Janemba, it's clear that Janemba is actually in a bit of pain. He didn't tank it or anything and it even falters him for a moment.. As for regeneration, we see Pikkon start yelling at Janemba breaking his face off. Next moment Janemba's reforming and his perfectly normal again.
He didn't seem too bothered by anything Goku did.
During their initial scuffle, Goku lands several hard hits on Janemba and the guy is clearly showing grimaces of pain on his face. In fact until Janemba uses his mouth blast and brings out the sword, Goku actually looks like he's having a brief advantage over him. he keeps his face mostly straight, lands several hits on Janemba, dodges several of Janemba's attacks, etc.

Janemba smiled after Goku's hits, though, and was clearly unaffected by some means overall. Then there's the argument of him not even being at full power at that point.
He smiles a few times, but none of the attacks that hit him is he's smiling about. It's not like when Vegeta gets hit, he rubs the blood off and smirks wondering why his opponent is so weak. Janemba's clearly not liking Goku's foot all up in his face. I'll also accept the idea that Janemba probably isn't fighting at his full power, especially when we see how he gets the overall advantage later on and then starts powering up later on in the movie.

You might have something like

Super Janemba (Full power)>>Janemba (W/ Sword)>SSJ3 Goku~Initial Super Janemba

As I said, Goku's actually holding his own with Janemba for a brief while and is actually doing a slight amount of damage to him.
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Zenet Jul 20 2013, 07:54 PM Post #29
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Janemba managed to completely overpower Super Saiyan 3 with one simple ki blast.


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EMIYA Jul 20 2013, 08:08 PM Post #30
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Jul 20 2013, 07:54 PM
Janemba managed to completely overpower Super Saiyan 3 with one simple ki blast.


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I sure hope you don't intend to say that initial little ki blast that Janemba threw was an indicator that Janemba>>>SSj3 Goku. The mouth blast afterwards was a fairly good indicator of how powerful Janemba was, but that ki blast prior was hardly an indicator of Janemba being massively over SSj3 Goku.
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