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Kanzenshuu says Battle Powers post Freeza arc impossible to calclulate
Topic Started: Jul 19 2013, 09:46 PM (3,107 Views)
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DBZ not having feats? Who says that?

1st form Frieza can casually obliterate planets far bigger than the Earth, yet 100% Frieza could spend weeks trying to harm Androids arc Ssj Vegeta, who wouldn't even feel the tickle; however, #18, once serious, beats the prince down with two or three hits.
Isn't this an incredible feat for #18?

Also, power levels aren't used anymore after Frieza because they become far too big, that's why downplayers who don't accept big gaps between the various arcs should not talk.
Yes, especially during the Boo arc, power levels are huge, and it would be pointless to let Piccolo saying, about Ultimate Gohan for example, "Woah, his power level is huge, it's 2 millions of trillions!!".
Despite that, the majority of the BP lists you can see on this site are very accurate, since people first read the manga, and then put on paper, with numbers, what the manga implies.
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Zenet, that's all conjecture on your part. Nowhere in your post did you provide evidence for the numbers you gave.
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I kinda wish there were power levels past that arc. Then we'd be able to tell who's clearly stronger.
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I kinda wish there were power levels past that arc. Then we'd be able to tell who's clearly stronger.
Actual levels would give specifics, but PLs past the Freeza arc can be calculated by a character's relativity to someone else. In particular, I think anyone stronger than Goku (or any of his transformations) are considered as "times stronger than him".

For example, the multipliers that we see in the series prior to the Cell arc are irrelevant and obsolete when we look at the Boo Arc. The series later is really evidenced to be written so that Super Saiyan levels are simply X2 the previous form. This in turn would only make SSj3 Goku 8X stronger than Base Goku at the very maximum, and not 800x like we've been lead to believe.
Based on his comparative power scale in both forms, I see this 8x difference as reasonable. They really don't seem to be ridiculously far apart (hundreds of times), at least not in the manga where it matters.

If you want to get technical, there's nothing that states that SSj remains 50X, or even that it's 50X in the first place. SSj could only be 2x by the time of the Boo Arc, and SSj2 is 2x that, and then SSj3 is 4xSSj2. In other words, SSj3 (at maximum) could be 32x Base.

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Jul 20 2013, 09:32 PM
I kinda wish there were power levels past that arc. Then we'd be able to tell who's clearly stronger.
Actual levels would give specifics, but PLs past the Freeza arc can be calculated by a character's relativity to someone else. In particular, I think anyone stronger than Goku (or any of his transformations) are considered as "times stronger than him".

For example, the multipliers that we see in the series prior to the Cell arc are irrelevant and obsolete when we look at the Boo Arc. The series later is really evidenced to be written so that Super Saiyan levels are simply X2 the previous form. This in turn would only make SSj3 Goku 8X stronger than Base Goku at the very maximum, and not 800x like we've been lead to believe.
Based on his comparative power scale in both forms, I see this 8x difference as reasonable. They really don't seem to be ridiculously far apart (hundreds of times), at least not in the manga where it matters.

If you want to get technical, there's nothing that states that SSj remains 50X, or even that it's 50X in the first place. SSj could only be 2x by the time of the Boo Arc, and SSj2 is 2x that, and then SSj3 is 4xSSj2. In other words, SSj3 (at maximum) could be 32x Base.


There's nothing that states the bold part either: SEG NEVER talked about battle power in reference to Ssj2 and Ssj3.
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I kinda wish there were power levels past that arc. Then we'd be able to tell who's clearly stronger.
Actual levels would give specifics, but PLs past the Freeza arc can be calculated by a character's relativity to someone else. In particular, I think anyone stronger than Goku (or any of his transformations) are considered as "times stronger than him".

For example, the multipliers that we see in the series prior to the Cell arc are irrelevant and obsolete when we look at the Boo Arc. The series later is really evidenced to be written so that Super Saiyan levels are simply X2 the previous form. This in turn would only make SSj3 Goku 8X stronger than Base Goku at the very maximum, and not 800x like we've been lead to believe.
Based on his comparative power scale in both forms, I see this 8x difference as reasonable. They really don't seem to be ridiculously far apart (hundreds of times), at least not in the manga where it matters.

If you want to get technical, there's nothing that states that SSj remains 50X, or even that it's 50X in the first place. SSj could only be 2x by the time of the Boo Arc, and SSj2 is 2x that, and then SSj3 is 4xSSj2. In other words, SSj3 (at maximum) could be 32x Base.


There's nothing that states the bold part either: SEG NEVER talked about battle power in reference to Ssj2 and Ssj3.
I think she was referring to a hypothetical case there.
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But SEG's Ssj2 = 2x Ssj and Ssj3 = 4x Ssj2 are not hypothetical.
People keep on interpreting them in a wrong way, i.e. in terms of battle power; too bad that SEG never talked about battle power about Ssj2 and Ssj3.
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I think it is impossible to make accurate power levels but they can be done as long as their your own levels and your not trying to make them canon.

I kinda do wish AT would say down one day and make power levels for the rest of the series and BOG and SSJ multipliers just to see what his thinking is.
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