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Sauza (Salza) vs 3rd Form Frieza
Topic Started: Jul 15 2013, 10:16 PM (1,215 Views)
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Super Vegetto
Jul 16 2013, 12:13 AM
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Jul 15 2013, 11:59 PM
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He has the power to endure an attack from Goku, before Goku becomes a Super Saiyan.
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He fought against Piccolo, but their battle was interrupted when Coola defeated Piccolo. Afterwards, he was blown away by Goku's ki, but revived in the end. Piccolo then fired a Makankosappo at him, which finally used up the last of his strength.


These are 2 excerpts from the DaizenShuu, which comment on Sauza's Power. One says that he had enough power to survive an attack from Base Goku (I know, survival feats mean nothing, but the DaizenShuu, felt the need to point that out, so it should at least indicate something) & the other says that Piccolo used up the last bit of his strength to kill Sauza, so from this we know at least that, he is not a complete weakling.

They however also imply that Sauza is (at least somewhat) close to both (Base) Goku & Piccolo, which, I don't know what to think of.
Salza wasn't the only one that managed to endure (deflect) Goku's attacks (ki blast).

Piccolo was already beaten up by Cooler and no wonder why he used up the last of his strenght to lauch Makankosappo.


Yes, but the DaizenShuu implies, that the attack on Sauza was not as weak as Goku, did on the other (Sauza's comrades).
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Jul 16 2013, 12:13 AM
He dodged , but then? Salza didn't put a fight to be close on Piccolo's power. Piccolo easily dominated the fight. I'd say a gap between Vegeta and Dodoria could be like this , Piccolo got he job with eas.

Garlic Jr > Salza , just came in my mind tho.
Yes, but Piccolo dodging the attack from Salza might imply, that he was weaker than that attack, because otherwise, he could have tanked it.

EDIT: Sorry, double-post, won't happen again (I hope).
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Tanked it? Piccolo ain't no Tank machine son. That attack could've slice Piccolo in half, Piccolo ain't gonna stand there and watch.

He dodged it , didn't put much effort as he should , no matter how he dodged, Salza didn't put up a fight as Piccolo should watch out for him. He got him un lock.
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OK, I guess we just can't agree on it, even though, I think I do agree with you on the "tanking" matter, Alex.
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Jul 15 2013, 11:59 PM
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He has the power to endure an attack from Goku, before Goku becomes a Super Saiyan.
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He fought against Piccolo, but their battle was interrupted when Coola defeated Piccolo. Afterwards, he was blown away by Goku's ki, but revived in the end. Piccolo then fired a Makankosappo at him, which finally used up the last of his strength.


These are 2 excerpts from the DaizenShuu, which comment on Sauza's Power. One says that he had enough power to survive an attack from Base Goku (I know, survival feats mean nothing, but the DaizenShuu, felt the need to point that out, so it should at least indicate something) & the other says that Piccolo used up the last bit of his strength to kill Sauza, so from this we know at least that, he is not a complete weakling.

They however also imply that Sauza is (at least somewhat) close to both (Base) Goku & Piccolo, which, I don't know what to think of.
Salza wasn't the only one that managed to endure (deflect) Goku's attacks (ki blast).

Piccolo was already beaten up by Cooler and no wonder why he used up the last of his strenght to lauch Makankosappo.


Yes, but the DaizenShuu implies, that the attack on Sauza was not as weak as Goku, did on the other (Sauza's comrades).
It goes by his characteristics. Daiz neaded to write something diffrent for everyone, so they put his endurance (deflection) from Gokus attack.

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Jul 16 2013, 12:23 AM
OK, I guess we just can't agree on it, even though, I think I do agree with you on the "tanking" matter, Alex.

Salza putting above Frieza 2nd form works IMO. It depends where you have Piccolo , as this is around Trunks Arc , Piccolo is well above Frieza 4th form initial as being close Vegeta @Trunks Arc.
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I see, what you mean Super Vegetto. I can see your point-of-view & you have explained it well enough for me, but I am a little confused on Sauza, though, his DaizenShuu entry seems to be conflicting with his actual showing (Power-wise) in the Movie.
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Jul 16 2013, 12:29 AM
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OK, I guess we just can't agree on it, even though, I think I do agree with you on the "tanking" matter, Alex.

Salza putting above Frieza 2nd form works IMO. It depends where you have Piccolo , as this is around Trunks Arc , Piccolo is well above Frieza 4th form initial as being close Vegeta @Trunks Arc.
According to the DaizenShuu, the Movie, happens in the training-period for the Androids (3 Years Period), so Piccolo could even be (a little) stronger.

Sorry for another Double-Post, my computer isn't working well, this is really the last time it will happen (for a long time, I hope).
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I see, what you mean Super Vegetto. I can see your point-of-view & you have explained it well enough for me, but I am a little confused on Sauza, though, his DaizenShuu entry seems to be conflicting with his actual showing (Power-wise) in the Movie.
Well Dazenshuu would wrote same thing for Dore and Naiz, but they neaded fresh material.

The time where he deflects Goku's attack was the time Goku wasn't even trying.

That's why daizenshuu lists his abbility to endure Goku's attack before Goku went Super Saiyan.

It seams like it talks about Full Power Base Goku, but its showed diffrent.

Salza got owned by Goku's Base when Goku powered up, so he definitly can't endure Goku's Full Power Base attack like he did before with suppressed Goku.
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What you say, makes sense, but I myself, don't really, know anymore where I stand on this Sauza matter.
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I'll say Freiza, because Salza had a hard time wth Piccolo who should be stronger than a 3rd form Freiza
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I would not have M5 piccolo far ahead of 3rd form frieza since I think M5 is pre-trunks saga, so frieza wins.
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