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Whats Wrong With Dragonball Z?
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human.
If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien".
There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power.
If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more?
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Jul 14 2013, 07:30 PM
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza
But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human. If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien". There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power. If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more? being above 100 and being above 100 000 000 is a whole another story ...
The first can be called "GIFTED" The second can be called HAXED
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According to Toriyama, yes, but that's only because they fall victim to the effects of aging. Someone like Boo, who doesn't age, would never reach a limit.
Buu is a creature crated by magic The earthlings are "human" AT only brought up age affecting their gain of power. If there was a natural limit, it would have been good to mention there.
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Jul 14 2013, 07:31 PM
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza
But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human. If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien". There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power. If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more?
being above 100 and being above 100 000 000 is a whole another story ... They're both impossible by real world standards. If you're going to accept that they can be above 100 then you have no reason to not accept that they can be above 100,000,000 because the 100 mark already broke any realism.
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Jul 14 2013, 07:33 PM
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza
But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human. If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien". There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power. If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more?
being above 100 and being above 100 000 000 is a whole another story ...
They're both impossible by real world standards. If you're going to accept that they can be above 100 then you have no reason to not accept that they can be above 100,000,000 because the 100 mark already broke any realism. being above 100 can be called GIFTED being above 100 000 000 can be called HAXED
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Gifted would be the extraordinary competitors in the first three tournaments we see, like Nam, Chapa-o, even Chi-Chi. Beyond that is just unnatural.
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza
But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human. If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien". There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power. If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more?
being above 100 and being above 100 000 000 is a whole another story ...
They're both impossible by real world standards. If you're going to accept that they can be above 100 then you have no reason to not accept that they can be above 100,000,000 because the 100 mark already broke any realism.
being above 100 can be called GIFTED being above 100 000 000 can be called HAXED No, being above 100 is impossible. You will never find any real world human coming close to performing feats of that level.
Krillin and the other humans going above 100 just show that they're not using realistic powers. Going above 100,000,000 shows...that they're not using realistic powers...It's the same logic for both numbers, one is just much higher than the other.
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Jul 14 2013, 07:42 PM
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If you're bothered by the fact limits in DBZ aren't realistic then I'm sure you had a problem way back from DB episode 1 since Goku had already gone way past any real human limits. And yes Goku was thought of by an Earthling by Toriyama. That alone should have told you that the series is not realistic when it comes to power.
No one has actually has a limit, if you don't like the idea of that then DB/DBZ isn't for you.
goku is a saiyan stated by Toriyama And THAT fact explain his tramendous gains in DB Neverteheless The earthlings have no "explanation" why they have to be above Frieza
But you missed the point when I said Goku was originally thought of as a human...by Toriyama himself. When he made chapter 1 and made Goku impossibly strong (compared to any real human) he didn't think of him as an alien but just as a very strong human. If you don't want to count Goku then Roshi comes in around chapter 3 and he's even stronger than Goku, and you can't argue his strength away with "He's an alien". There's no "explanation" why Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Roshi or Tien are even as strong as they were when they first appeared, they're all insanely strong by any real human standards and that should have been proof to you that the series does not follow realistic rules when it comes to power. If they can be as strong as they were in DB, why does it bother you they can become Freeza's level or more?
being above 100 and being above 100 000 000 is a whole another story ...
They're both impossible by real world standards. If you're going to accept that they can be above 100 then you have no reason to not accept that they can be above 100,000,000 because the 100 mark already broke any realism.
being above 100 can be called GIFTED being above 100 000 000 can be called HAXED
No, being above 100 is impossible. You will never find any real world human coming close to performing feats of that level. Krillin and the other humans going above 100 just show that they're not using realistic powers. Going above 100,000,000 shows...that they're not using realistic powers...It's the same logic for both numbers, one is just much higher than the other. There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
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There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
Nope, why would there be? No race has ever stated to have a barrier.
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There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
Nope, why would there be? No race has ever stated to have a barrier. Okay then Why Tenshinhan is not above goku and the rest He has been training all of his life....
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Jul 14 2013, 07:53 PM
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There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
Nope, why would there be? No race has ever stated to have a barrier.
Okay then Why Tenshinhan is not above goku and the rest He has been training all of his life.... 'Cause he doesn't have the training opportunities that Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. All of them trained in increased Gravity for at least a year in harsh conditions, Vegeta's got a gravity machine and Goku was able to train in otherworld. Zenkais too.
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There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
Nope, why would there be? No race has ever stated to have a barrier.
Okay then Why Tenshinhan is not above goku and the rest He has been training all of his life....
'Cause he doesn't have the training opportunities that Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. All of them trained in increased Gravity for at least a year in harsh conditions, Vegeta's got a gravity machine and Goku was able to train in otherworld. Zenkais too. okay you ALL won ....
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There is no barrier for earthlings to surpass everybody existingin the DB universe?
Nope, why would there be? No race has ever stated to have a barrier.
Okay then Why Tenshinhan is not above goku and the rest He has been training all of his life.... Zenkais, better training partners, better training environments, plot.
Drew won before I posted. Ah well.
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I just wanna add that Tien was as strong as Goku when he first appeared, then Goku shot ahead by drinking the Super God water and then training with Kami. If Tien did those things instead of Goku then Tien'd be the stronger one.
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I just wanna add that Tien was as strong as Goku when he first appeared, then Goku shot ahead by drinking the Super God water and then training with Kami. If Tien did those things instead of Goku then Tien'd be the stronger one. okay man you won ...leave me be
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