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Whats Wrong With Dragonball Z?
Topic Started: Jul 13 2013, 09:56 AM (6,585 Views)
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Read this interesting article about the bad things about the show

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2008/04/10/whats-wrong-with-dragon-ball-z-part-one

What are your thoughts? do you agree?

IMO

I disagree with just about everything the guy says

Although I do see what hes trying to say, first of all he talks about the

Telling rather than showing, well I do see how this was done to save money, but in a way it kind of makes the action that much more intense when its actually time for it, if your waiting paiently not seeing much animation and just talking then when the action happens I find it stands out more.

Kind of how Disney animated movies for example, you watch it for about 20 minutes and you are absolutely amazed at the animation, but after about 30 minutes you forget and dont appreciate the art as much as you would with the Dragonball Z effect, the fight scenes and good animation from time to time in DBZ quite litterally POP OUT because it only happens sometimes


The Endless Amounts Of Power

Sure, every new villian is more powerful as it goes on, so what!? its a series, its fictional! If it wasnt like that then it wouldnt be interesting!

And to be fair, its not really that bad as it seems, think of Dragonball, all the bad guys dealt with were all on earth except Piccolo, then in DBZ, Ratidz, Vegeta, they were all saiyans so obviously it would be a challenge, then they go for the ruler of space, Frieza so of course he would be stronger! and then DR. Gero, he builds androids to overpower goku from revenge on the Red Ribbon Army, and then Buu, an ancient crazy creature that can destroy entire galaxies, In my opinion, its perfect as it is, maybe it would get repetitive if Akira kept introducting bad guys that were always around the same strength lol, in short, I dont see how endless amounts of power is a bad thing, without it the show would be boring as hell, who would want to watch it if Goku and the Z fighters had no challenge?

And just to throw it in there, Pixar released 20 Rules to filmmaking, and one of the rules were THROW challenges to your characters, Pixar is one of the most succesful story tellers when it comes down to there films so enough said about this point! lol


The Animation Recyling, this is the only thing I agree on, which is why I went through DBZ myself and edited it and took out all the recycled crap lol:P


Recycled Predictable Plot

THIS ONE PISSES ME OFF!!!!! He is so wrong, it is NOT predictable

Okay, although it may be recycled a bit, it is in no way ever predictable!

WHO would of thought Goku would of died in the beggining of Z against his brother!?

WHO would of thought Frieza would of been defeated by his own attack?!

WHO would of thought Goku would have sacrificed himself against cell!?

WHO would of thought mr. Satan would befriend the evil BUU

Nuff said lol.....

I see what he means though, the show may follow a sort of similar forumla but IF IT AINT BROKEN DONT FIX IT!

It works and every saga is enjoyable to me.

Although I will give him this though, the story could have been more complex and had more depth, but then again, I feel what Akira did for the show worked pretty well.


Finally, I agree with him on the bad filler though

what are your thoughts?
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There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with DBZ in my humble opinion.

For a show made in Japan 20 years back, now, has formed an empire of fanboys is nothing short of miracle.

Its legacy still lives on and will always till the end of time.
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For a show that originated off a manga that started WAY back in 1988 still having relevance today is as Billa said perfectly nothing short of a miracle. besides, DBZ has inspired SO many popular manga and anime today.
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Come on guys, nothing is perfect and the points brought up are perfectly legitimate. The arc plots do get very repetitive in Z (not so much in early Dragon Ball, post 22nd does start to follow the formulae though) and are based on the same points that were listed. As for telling not showing, well I don't find it too big of an issue, though it definitely is there (look how many arguments we have in this section based on statements that were made rather than feats that actually happened) and if someone doesn't like it they are more than entitled to.

The power levels DO get inflated, it's a curse that every Shonen battle series has fallen in to since then and in Comics before DBZ as well, and having all the suppression and hidden forms and stuff got a little annoying at times (though mostly on Namek, after that it didn't happen so much as character kept getting new powers mid-arc). The re-used animation I don't blame them for, if it were a more recent series I'd probably be more annoyed about it (Naruto's use of it flies me in to a rage), but it was a long time ago, they had a demanding schedule, what do you expect? Problems with the dub are a commonly held opinion on this forum and most others.

Here's Part Two by the way: http://au.ign.com/articles/2008/04/11/whats-wrong-with-dragon-ball-z-part-two

That one is a bit more meh. While I do agree that the villains are kind of one dimensional and Goku is pretty boring as a character, the race complains is kind of stupid and the general uselessness of the female cast in battle can be aimed at practically every fighting show ever.
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Goku boring as character?

That alone sums up DBZ from a Narutards POV. Great Job!
Edited by Billa, Jul 13 2013, 05:07 PM.
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What? So I'm not allowed to find Goku boring? He is boring to me, sorry if that offends you but it's true. You can hold a different opinion and find him the most exciting character, that's fine all power to you. For me, he's pretty generic and does little to hold my interest.

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The only problem I have with the Anime is the bad pacing. I don't really agree with most of these.

DBZ does have insanely simple (but not recycled - other than the budokais in DB) plots, so I can see how that may throw some people off. It also has little to no character development but I personally think having entertaining characters is more important than development and DBZ hits the nail on the head there.

Also "fanboys" isn't a legit reason for "things wrong with DBZ".
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Jul 13 2013, 05:03 PM
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Goku boring as character?

That alone sums up DBZ from a Narutards POV. Great Job!
Goku is a great character in Dragon Ball. He fits the show perfectly. He's innocent, naive, goofy, and cute, but in Z he just seems to lose all of that, especially later on. He just becomes a stern, serious, boring guy until the time calls for comic relief of some sort. I will still say that Goku is one of my favorite characters of all time, but he does get more stale and boring as the series progresses.
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I disagree with lots of the stuff in that article. I do however agree with all the filler and what made the story take forever to progress.
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I agree with the article.
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I can agree with most of the article.

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Jul 13 2013, 09:56 AM
Recycled Predictable Plot

THIS ONE PISSES ME OFF!!!!! He is so wrong, it is NOT predictable

Okay, although it may be recycled a bit, it is in no way ever predictable!

WHO would of thought Goku would of died in the beggining of Z against his brother!?

WHO would of thought Frieza would of been defeated by his own attack?!

WHO would of thought Goku would have sacrificed himself against cell!?

WHO would of thought mr. Satan would befriend the evil BUU

Nuff said lol.....
He's clearly talking about the general plot line that every arc follows, not every individual plot point. Calm down.

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Jul 13 2013, 05:03 PM
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Goku boring as character?

That alone sums up DBZ from a Narutards POV. Great Job!
You make a compelling argument...

Seriously though, I could respond to this or any comment disagreeing with this article and say something similar, replacing "Narutard" with "DBZ-tard" or something to that effect, but it wouldn't prove a point and I'd just be making myself look butthurt.
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Most know my stance on this. Dbz is a literary work. People don't want to take that fact into account when discussing. People think there has to be reasons for everything, when it really all boils down to plot. But when that word is muttered, all manner of flame and troll come out to play. Silly, honestly.

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Jul 13 2013, 08:18 PM
Most know my stance on this. Dbz is a literary work. People don't want to take that fact into account when discussing. People think there has to be reasons for everything, when it really all boils down to plot. But when that word is muttered, all manner of flame and troll come out to play. Silly, honestly.

Because just saying 'plot' stifles any form of productive discussion you could have on a subject.

Why's A stronger than B?

Answer no.1 : ''Plot''
Answer no.2 : ''Because A was training in another dimension and that was extremely beneficial to his gains''

Now, which seems like the better argument?

On topic: I don't really like DBZ anymore, to be perfectly honest.

Sure, the characters are entertaining, and some of 'em had decent development, but the series just got stale for me. Plot was predictable (it was basically there because they needed somethin' besides battles, battles weren't as visually pleasing as DB, some of the best characters were essentially thrown away, the list goes on.
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But what's the truth? The truth is cell is stronger than Frieza because of plot. Truth. The truth is Frieza is stronger than kurrin. Truth. Why? Plot. Because advancing storylines requires stronger opponents, and sidekicks killing villains makes for a bad story. Truth.

You were saying?
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He was saying you're about to get stomped cold.
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