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Tien's Shin Kikoho on Cell
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 07:43 PM (10,907 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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Jul 9 2013, 09:18 PM
Remember that attack Krillin used to kill the Saibamen? The one that is less than 2,800 (Gohan's Masenko)? The same attack that Vegeta, with a PL of 18,000 blocked? Well take a look at the bruises it gave him:
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Yeah, but look at their expressions compared to Cell's

I can't post 'em here right now, but go look at 'em. Cell's clearly in pain
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Jul 9 2013, 09:28 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:06 PM
Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…

Implies that the Kikoho goes under that.
Implies that Shin Kikoho's an asspull because even if it's weaker, to say that there's "nothing" he can do is incorrect when he did something to Semi Cell.
Nothing, as in dealing damage.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Checking back at it, Cell doesn't have bruises, however he was being pushed back and was spitting up all over the place and the Ki Ko Ho is stated to be a very destructive technique.

When you have Semi-Cell>Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post ROSAT)>Imperfect Cell>>Kamiccolo>No.18>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Goku>Piccolo>SSJ Yardrat Goku>SSJ Trunks>>>>>>>>>>>Tenshinhan. Then its no doubt the Shin Ki Ko Ho was packing a lot of power to even so much as budge Cell's body.

You can blame PIS if you wish but what we're shown is a guy who may not even be at Freeza's level yet, going around and pounding a guy that is literally multi-folds above him into the ground several times and making him spit up.

Put it this way, the force of No. 16's punch couldn't so much as move Cell a few inches. The force of the Shin Ki Ko Ho absolutely tore Cell the through ground. Now imagine if No. 16 punched Piccolo or anyone below him as hard as he could in the face. let that be the judgment if Tenshinhan hit someone else with his attack.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:29 PM
Yeah, but look at their expressions compared to Cell's

I can't post 'em here right now, but go look at 'em. Cell's clearly in pain
Did we actually see Nappa and Vegeta's expression while they were being attacked? Cell was not in pain after Ten was done attacking him, he was just annoyed that #18 had escaped.
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Cell is either in a lot of pain, like you're saying... Or he is frustrated that Android 18 is getting away, causing him to panic and get angry.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:29 PM
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Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…

Implies that the Kikoho goes under that.
Implies that Shin Kikoho's an asspull because even if it's weaker, to say that there's "nothing" he can do is incorrect when he did something to Semi Cell.
Nothing, as in dealing damage.
"Nothing I can do" doesn't mean "I can do something but it won't hurt him." If he Toriyama wanted him to, he could've done what Piccolo couldn't and hold off Imperfect Cell, allowing #17 to potentially escape, which contradicts the line "there's nothing I can do."
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Jul 9 2013, 09:30 PM
When you have Semi-Cell>Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post ROSAT)>Imperfect Cell>>Kamiccolo>No.18>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Goku>Piccolo>SSJ Yardrat Goku>SSJ Trunks>>>>>>>>>>>Tenshinhan. Then its no doubt the Shin Ki Ko Ho was packing a lot of power to even so much as budge Cell's body.
The DaizenShuu states that it uses "internal energy" that's implying that the technique is not an actual amplifier/multiplier of power, but uses life-force.
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Cell's line after the tri beam spam may be of relevance:

Cell: “Why, you…! So piddling little Tenshinhan managed to get in my way…?! Looks like you’ll die even if I leave you alone, but…I’ll wipe you out anyway.”

Even after being knocked to the ground multiple times he still calls Tien "piddling" but is mad that he got in the way. Sounds to me like Tien's power may be pathetic and that only made Cell more angry that he was stopped by him. If the Tri Beam was more powerful than #16 would he really be called "piddling little Tenshinhan"?
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As Kyooks said, the Shin Kikoho was a total asspull, so yes, it could take out Imperfect Cell and #16, or hold them back similarly at the very, very leasg
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Jul 9 2013, 09:34 PM
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When you have Semi-Cell>Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post ROSAT)>Imperfect Cell>>Kamiccolo>No.18>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Goku>Piccolo>SSJ Yardrat Goku>SSJ Trunks>>>>>>>>>>>Tenshinhan. Then its no doubt the Shin Ki Ko Ho was packing a lot of power to even so much as budge Cell's body.
The DaizenShuu states that it uses "internal energy" that's implying that the technique is not an actual amplifier/multiplier of power, but uses life-force.
It would be an amplifier of some sort, whether its using his actual ki (which of course it is ki manipulation) or his life-force, he's increasing the power of his attack. If he didn't amplify the ki of his attack, it wouldn't even phase Cell.

Not to mention its stated to be stronger than the KHH which is we know is an amplifier.

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Cell's line after the tri beam spam may be of relevance:

Cell: “Why, you…! So piddling little Tenshinhan managed to get in my way…?! Looks like you’ll die even if I leave you alone, but…I’ll wipe you out anyway.”

Even after being knocked to the ground multiple times he still calls Tien "piddling" but is mad that he got in the way. Sounds to me like Tien's power may be pathetic and that only made Cell more angry that he was stopped by him. If the Tri Beam was more powerful than #16 would he really be called "piddling little Tenshinhan"?


Probably, not only is Cell still mad, but besides Tenshina's little maneuver which in the end while it did keep him down, didn't do any lasting damage to him, Ten is still pretty much pathetic and has no chance against Cell. One decent move isn't enough to change the relationship between Cell and Ten so calling Ten pathetic really isn't all that surprising.
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Well even if the move isn't a normal energy attack surely the sheer force of it would break the neck of the opponent as long as they were far behind Semi-Perfect Cell.
"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"
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IllogicalGlory
Jul 9 2013, 09:35 PM
You can't claim that and then turn around say that Tenshinha's kikoho wouldn't hurt imperfect Cell.
I said this? When?
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Jul 9 2013, 09:28 PM
Shin Kikoho's an asspull because even if it's weaker, to say that there's "nothing" he can do (to Imperfect Cell) is incorrect when he did something to Semi Cell.
That's the point I'm advocating, not much else. I also didn't say the Shin Kikoho's far stronger than #16 here (though I probably would if given the choice), just that if it did something to Semi Cell it can do something more to those below him.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:41 PM
I said this? When?
I misread your post. I thought you said something else. Sorry.
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I understand the whole concept of discussing around one's power and whatnot... But when you pull bruises into it, I think it's going too far. AT clearly drew it that way for it to show that something happened. If he left them unscratched, what would be the point of the drawing?
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