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Tien's Shin Kikoho on Cell
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 07:43 PM (10,908 Views)
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IllogicalGlory
Jul 9 2013, 09:11 PM
Drew
Jul 9 2013, 09:03 PM
So we're to just ignore them because some people think they're there just for effect?
Nope, turns out Tenshinhan is the strongest being in the universe.
Nice Strawman you've got there, your handiwork is of the finest quality.

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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
Nice Strawman you've got there, your handiwork is of the finest quality.

if you are claiming that he can destroy android #16, it's what you're saying. you're saying he can do what Piccolo, SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, Android #17 and Android #18 can't.

The chain goes something like this does it?

2nd form Cell >>> Tenshinhan (shin kikoho) >>> android #16 >>> Piccolo >>> SSJ Vegeta.

If you're not saying that Tenshinhan is stronger than Piccolo and #16, then what are you saying?
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jul 9 2013, 09:17 PM.
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Still not seeing where he hurt Cell.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:06 PM
Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…

Implies that the Kikoho goes under that.
And then Tenshinhan decides that there is something he can do against a stronger Cell who he manages to actually hurt and hold down for a while.
That's what you think.
Not my opinion It is shown. He decides to do something against a stronger Cell which contradicts the old statement which says there's nothing he can do.
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Remember that attack Krillin used to kill the Saibamen? The one that is less than 2,800 (Gohan's Masenko)? The same attack that Vegeta, with a PL of 18,000 blocked? Well take a look at the bruises it gave him:
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Jul 9 2013, 09:17 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:06 PM
Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…

Implies that the Kikoho goes under that.
And then Tenshinhan decides that there is something he can do against a stronger Cell who he manages to actually hurt and hold down for a while.
That's what you think.
Not my opinion It is shown. He decides to do something against a stronger Cell which contradicts the old statement which says there's nothing he can do.
He did do something, but he didn't hurt Cell. Bruises alone isn't enough to hurt someone. I have been bruised before without hurting.
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IllogicalGlory
Jul 9 2013, 09:17 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:13 PM
Nice Strawman you've got there, your handiwork is of the finest quality.

if you are claiming that he can destroy android #16, it's what you're saying. you're saying he can do what Piccolo, SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, Android #17 and Android #18 can't.

The chain goes something like this does it?

2nd form Cell >>> Tenshinhan (shin kikoho) >>> android #16 >>> Piccolo >>> SSJ Vegeta.
Yup. That hardly makes Tenshinhan 'the strongest being in the Universe', something that I never argued.

If we're to follow the Daiz excerpt posted earlier about the Shin Kikoho being an attack of destructive force, then it's got to be decently close to Semi-Perfect Cell, as he couldn't tank it.

I don't really see the problem. All of the humans on Earth provided Genki for the Genki Dama against Pure Boo and it defeated him. Are ya gonna argue that 5 billion humans combined are > Pure Boo? Genki's much, much more potent than the ki that's regularly used, and Tenshinhan's been shown to be adept, even a master, at using it.
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tien is weakling ...weaker than the androids ...his shin kihoko did nothing to cell

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Jul 9 2013, 09:20 PM
Bruises alone isn't enough to hurt someone. I have been bruised before without hurting.
:w00t: Really, how you do that?
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Jul 9 2013, 09:21 PM
Yup. That hardly makes Tenshinhan 'the strongest being in the Universe', something that I never argued.

If we're to follow the Daiz excerpt posted earlier about the Shin Kikoho being an attack of destructive force, then it's got to be decently close to Semi-Perfect Cell, as he couldn't tank it.

I don't really see the problem. All of the humans on Earth provided Genki for the Genki Dama against Pure Boo and it defeated him. Are ya gonna argue that 5 billion humans combined are > Pure Boo? Genki's much, much more potent than the ki that's regularly used, and Tenshinhan's been shown to be adept, even a master, at using it.
It makes him the second strongest being in the universe, given that Vegeta and Trunks are not in the universe (different dimension) and 2nd form Cell is the only one who he can't splatter (supposedly).

Even if Tenshinhan is a master of using Genki, why didn't he do it earlier? Why didn't he use it against #18 right after she punched out Vegeta? He's capable of using it many times in a row and if it does have the power that you claim it does, one would have been enough to kill both the androids and end it right there.

I know it sounds stupid to claim that the kikoho can't actually kill people, but honestly, I will never accept that the second strongest Earthling can wipe out the 99% of the androids arc single-handedly.
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Well Cell did quite look in agony while Tien was targeting him with the Shin Kikohou, but it might be just because his body was pushed down by the kiai effect that the attack has.

I believe the Shin Kikohou acts both as a "last resort attack" for Tien, meaning that the attack's power is indeed worthy of nothing and at the same time it works like a Kiai, pushing the opponent down.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:25 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 09:20 PM
Bruises alone isn't enough to hurt someone. I have been bruised before without hurting.
:w00t: How you do that?
No clue. I guess the skin bruised, but the bone didn't feel it.
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Jul 9 2013, 09:27 PM
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Bruises alone isn't enough to hurt someone. I have been bruised before without hurting.
:w00t: How you do that?
No clue. I guess the skin bruised, but the bone didn't feel it.
Makes sense <_<
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Jul 9 2013, 09:06 PM
Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…

Implies that the Kikoho goes under that.
Implies that Shin Kikoho's an asspull because even if it's weaker, to say that there's "nothing" he can do is incorrect when he did something to Semi Cell.
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It makes him the second strongest being in the universe.
No it doesn't, one's standing isn't determined by their amplification ability.
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Semi Cell tanked 16 punch automatically places the Tri beam above 16 and Semi Cell did look hurt during the attack how can you say he doesn't look hurt? Unless you think Toriyama drew Cell making those facial expressions for no reason.
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