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Piccolo and Base Saiyans
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 04:51 PM (6,963 Views)
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Why would he be less than Initial perfect Cell, who was less than ASSJ Vegeta? Piccolo was showing he could make gains relevant to the bunch. He was ssj tier pre Kami, and then surpassed them quite easily with Kami. At worse piccolo should come out the room over the ASSJs and around MSSJ Goku/USSJ Trunks as he felt both powers.
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That's just an assumption, though.
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Its an assumption to think he can't make a decent gain to at least make him ASSJ level?
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Jul 25 2013, 04:37 AM
Its an assumption to think he can't make a decent gain to at least make him ASSJ level?
It's an assumption to think he could make it to that level of power specifically. It's a "popular theory," not one supported in real fact.

If one could lace together some evidence that actually supports him getting to that specific level of power, that'd be interesting. The only pieces of evidence would be the Japanese anime with Piccolo asking Goku how he compares to Cell, and the Cell Jr. fight. Both are debatable, though.

Without those two pieces, claiming Piccolo only got as strong as No.16 would be just as valid.
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Piccolo's best feat was handling the Cell Juniors about as well as SSJ Vegeta and Trunks did. Obviously he's lower than them, but that alone puts him on a pretty high level. Definitely above base saiyans, Imperfect Cell and initial Perfect Cell.

No way could base Kid Gohan or Boo arc base Goku do that. Even MSSJ Goku couldn't handle a Cell Junior, obviously he was weakened at that point, but he should still be above base Gohan for sure.
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Piccolo only "handled" a Cell Jr in the anime. In the manga we just have him standing after the beatdown.

KP, you missed Trunks' surprise at Goku telling Piccolo he'll be useless. It's a small little thing but it makes a difference imo.
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I assumed that'd be included without mentioning it.
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Jul 25 2013, 04:52 AM
Piccolo only "handled" a Cell Jr in the anime. In the manga we just have him standing after the beatdown. .
He's standing and his injuries are basically the same as Vegeta/Trunks's. That means that he at least managed to put up a fight.
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I go with Trunks being shocked at Goku being so blunt. After all he didn't look shocked when Piccolo said he didn't stand a chance agaisnt Cell, so why would he be shocked when Goku says the exact same thing one second later?
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Jul 25 2013, 05:23 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jul 25 2013, 04:52 AM
Piccolo only "handled" a Cell Jr in the anime. In the manga we just have him standing after the beatdown. .
He's standing and his injuries are basically the same as Vegeta/Trunks's. That means that he at least managed to put up a fight.
Piccolo's injuries were more blackened.
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What's it mean if they're blacken? Far more worser wounds? Haha.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I don't see much difference:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/gain_1.php?fpp=10&did=0-6-27&fid=114

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/gain_1.php?fpp=10&did=0-6-27&fid=20

In the second one, perhaps they are blacked in a bit more, but they're still less blacked in that Goku's injuries and he obviously fared worse than Piccolo. Is that really a valid argument?
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It's more valid than you think.
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Jul 25 2013, 06:06 PM
It's more valid than you think.
Why are Goku's blacked in the same amount as Vegeta's?

And even then, sure he's injured worse than Trunks or Vegeta, but he's still not gravely injured, he still at least held off the Cell Junior, obviously he'd go down first if the fight continued, but he hasn't reached his limit like Goku or the humans.

Oh and Vegeta has more black than Trunks.
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