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Piccolo and Base Saiyans
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 04:51 PM (6,964 Views)
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Gohan didn't know Vegeta and Goku were stronger than him yet. He planned on training and hopefully end up stronger than both of them.
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Exactly. I don't see what the argument is anymore.
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They trained for 7 years in diffrent kind of training.

Nothing like sparring or training outside can close that gap in short time.

Gohan was planing in his mind to win, but obviously didn't whanted to distract himself with others that will enter the tournament...
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Jul 24 2013, 07:55 PM
They trained for 7 years in diffrent kind of training.

Nothing like sparring or training outside can close that gap in short time.

Gohan was planing in his mind to win, but obviously didn't whanted to distract himself with others that will enter the tournament...
Do remember that there was already a massive gap between Gohan and the adults before the time skip. He just didn't know they'd gotten that strong.
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The Z-Fighters don't walk around at full power. They're normally always in a relaxed state, which is why Vegeta couldn't tell Goku was way stronger than him until the Yakon fight, and Gohan couldn't tell Vegeta was much stronger than him when they first encountered each other at Bulma's.

Gohan was oblivious.
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so people actually think Goku > Vegeta > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan > Piccolo > 18 >= Trunks >= Goten? when clearly in the cell games it was Ssj Kid Gohan > Ssj Goku > Ssj Goku > Piccolo > 16 > 17 > 18 > Kid Gohan > Goku > Vegeta
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Gohan didn't initially want to win, did he? He was forced into going by Videl, and later Chi-Chi when she heard how much money the 1st place gave. I'm sure there is a quote saying he would want to win, but isn't that after his chat with his mother?
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Jul 24 2013, 08:13 PM
Gohan didn't initially want to win, did he? He was forced into going by Videl, and later Chi-Chi when she heard how much money the 1st place gave. I'm sure there is a quote saying he would want to win, but isn't that after his chat with his mother?
Gohan said he wanted to win after getting Piccolo to join. So at that point the following were confirmed to be entering: Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Krillin and #18.
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Jul 24 2013, 08:12 PM
so people actually think Goku > Vegeta > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan > Piccolo > 18 >= Trunks >= Goten? when clearly in the cell games it was Ssj Kid Gohan > Ssj Goku > Ssj Goku > Piccolo > 16 > 17 > 18 > Kid Gohan > Goku > Vegeta

The last chain is your opinion.
Lord Magus
Jul 24 2013, 08:13 PM
Gohan didn't initially want to win, did he? He was forced into going by Videl, and later Chi-Chi when she heard how much money the 1st place gave. I'm sure there is a quote saying he would want to win, but isn't that after his chat with his mother?

He said he wanted to win on his way home, before the dinner scene where Chi-Chi was notified of the tourney.
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Jul 24 2013, 08:12 PM
so people actually think Goku > Vegeta > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan > Piccolo > 18 >= Trunks >= Goten? when clearly in the cell games it was Ssj Kid Gohan > Ssj Goku > Ssj Goku > Piccolo > 16 > 17 > 18 > Kid Gohan > Goku > Vegeta
When Piccolo got out of the ROSAT, Trunks commented that Piccolo became even stronger, and Piccolo told Goku would his new powers do any good against Cell, with Goku answering no. If Piccolo had to ask such a question, then he should at least be stronger than Semi-Cell or ASSJ Vegeta in my opinion.

This is my chain.

(Boo) Base Saiyans > > Piccolo > ASSJ Vegeta
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Alright, but he (AT didn't write) didn't mention before the trip to the tournament that they shouldn't use their SSjin transformations. Did AT just not add Piccolo to the equation then? The focus was on the Saiyans?
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Jul 24 2013, 08:23 PM
FamousBueller
Jul 24 2013, 08:12 PM
so people actually think Goku > Vegeta > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan > Piccolo > 18 >= Trunks >= Goten? when clearly in the cell games it was Ssj Kid Gohan > Ssj Goku > Ssj Goku > Piccolo > 16 > 17 > 18 > Kid Gohan > Goku > Vegeta
When Piccolo got out of the ROSAT, Trunks commented that Piccolo became even stronger, and Piccolo told Goku would his new powers do any good against Cell, with Goku answering no. If Piccolo had to ask such a question, then he should at least be stronger than Semi-Cell or ASSJ Vegeta in my opinion.

This is my chain.

(Boo) Base Saiyans > > Piccolo > ASSJ Vegeta > 18
Piccolo didn't ask.

Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”

Piccolo is the one who tells Goku that he doesn't stand a chance. Goku just reconfirms what he just said.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Clearin beat it to me.

While I also have Piccolo above Semi-Cell due to the way my numbers work, Piccolo indeed doesn't ask anything. All that happens is he walks out, Goku notes that he's gotten much stronger in which Piccolo states that he still isn't enough to beat Cell in which Goku just agrees. Piccolo just wants Piccolo to stop the BS and just lay it down, he might have gotten stronger but he's still nothing to Cell.

Some of you are coming up like Piccolo said "Hey Goku, do you think I still have a chance against Cell?" When instead he's stating that he has no chance.

This puts Piccolo anywhere between Initial Perfect Cell (less than that obviously) or around Imperfect Cell (post absorption) Either one would be a huge level above what he was originally at.
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http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8096068&t=8329346
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8096092&t=8329346

I believe Viz also has it worded as a question, though most people here wouldn't think much of it.
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Jul 24 2013, 08:35 PM
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8096068&t=8329346
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8096092&t=8329346

I believe Viz also has it worded as a question, though most people here wouldn't think much of it.
Nope, Viz has it as a statement with Goku just reconfirming it.

Only the Anime has it as a question, and that's hardly usable in a debate about the manga.
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