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| + Pyrus | Jul 24 2013, 12:39 AM Post #61 |
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That's generally the way I see it too, although I differ a bit on Goten/Trunks compared to No.18 (I have them both slightly-moderately ahead of her). Nonetheless, the layout is basically the same. It's hard getting Gohan, Vegeta, and Goku above Piccolo without the use of Super Saiyan unless you pull some strings. |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 24 2013, 12:40 AM Post #62 |
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Yeah. People could argue that Base Kids are WAY above Android 18 and that the disguise is restricting them majorly, but that's far-fetched, imo. |
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| Zenet | Jul 24 2013, 12:48 AM Post #63 |
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If the Base Saiyans are stronger than Piccolo I just go with The whole thing with the MSSJ multiplier shrinking for Vegeta , Goku and Gohan giving them a much stronger Base. |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 24 2013, 12:50 AM Post #64 |
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Then what about Goten and Trunks? |
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| Zenet | Jul 24 2013, 12:55 AM Post #65 |
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Except them since they were fighting on par with 18. Edited by Zenet, Jul 24 2013, 12:55 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Jul 24 2013, 12:56 AM Post #66 |
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Goten was not very far away from Gohan when they were sparring before the tournament. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2013, 12:59 AM Post #67 |
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In my books any advantage is fine so long as the kids aren't pseudo-tanking #18 (or more), though I do agree that anything outside of the rivaling range isn't really necessary. Some of the base Saiyan > Piccolo believers 'solve' the issue by outright ignoring Goten's closeness to Gohan, though, and/or they do what zenet does with the SSJ multipliers and so on. So aside from thinking that Piccolo > base Saiyans makes more sense I also think it makes other things easier to work with. |
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| Zenet | Jul 24 2013, 01:02 AM Post #68 |
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Gohan would have a smaller MSSJ multiplier that Goten making them almost equal in that form. Though that only applies if Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo and Base Goten is on par with 18. Edited by Zenet, Jul 24 2013, 01:05 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jul 24 2013, 01:49 AM Post #69 |
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I don't think Toriyama cared about exact multipliers beyond the Freeza arc. |
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| FamousBueller | Jul 24 2013, 12:32 PM Post #70 |
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All the Supreme Kai's are 10x stronger than Frieza right? East Supreme Kai (the weakest): 1,200,000,000 > Frieza (100%): 120,000,000 So depending on your power levels, statements and gains you can place Piccolo where you want and I pretty much have Piccolo > Base Saiyans I also have no Base Saiyan in the billions If Piccolo thought Supreme Kai was Grand Kai then that makes no sense, since Grand Kai is weaker than Supreme KAIS, but if Piccolo thought Supreme Kai was Grand Supreme Kai then that makes sense because I have Grand Supreme Kai > South Supreme Kai (who is state to be the strongest among the supreme kais, but I don't think that includes Grand) |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 24 2013, 12:36 PM Post #71 |
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Where is it stated that all Supreme Kais > Grand Kai? For all we know, Dai Kaio could be stronger than Kaioshin. |
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| FamousBueller | Jul 24 2013, 01:31 PM Post #72 |
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Doesn't King Kai state the Supreme Kai is on a higher level than he is?, you're right its never stated that the supreme kais are stronger But somewhere it has King Kai's power level around 3,000-4,000? and the supreme kais are 10x stronger than frieza, king kai was scared of frieza If Grand Kai was stronger than Supreme Kais how come he didn't help fight against Kid Buu 5 million years ago? and im positive Grand Supreme Kai > Grand Kai or his name wouldn't be SUPREME |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 24 2013, 01:50 PM Post #73 |
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Higher level as in higher rank. Also, Kaio-Sama is weaker than Kaioshin, no question. Dai Kaio was mentioned once in the manga, and only shown in filler, so he could be anywhere. |
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| + Ginyu | Jul 24 2013, 02:00 PM Post #74 |
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When Piccolo fused with Kami he was the strongest Z Fighter, surpassing Goku's and Vegeta's Super Saiyan powers, I don't see base kids being stronger than Piccolo, no way |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 24 2013, 03:42 PM Post #75 |
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No. That was never said. Even in the FUNi dub, it was 1,000x.
That's not much of a reason. |
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