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Piccolo and Base Saiyans
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 04:51 PM (6,967 Views)
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Piccolo didn't care. He could have been blown to smithereens for all he knew.
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Actually, as a side-note to that...

I have a theory that Kami's previous position as guardian of Earth, and the fact that he was referred to as god, is part of the reason Babidi's magic is so ineffective on him.
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Wouldn't it be ineffective against Kaioshin, then?
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Jul 10 2013, 05:09 PM
Wouldn't it be ineffective against Kaioshin, then?
When did Babidi use magic on Kaioshin?
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He didn't, but you said Kaioshin was afraid of the magic.
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Jul 10 2013, 05:12 PM
He didn't, but you said Kaioshin was afraid of the magic.
Oh.. Yeah, but I was thinking more in the lines of taking over someone powerful. Like Dabra.
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Super Saiyans > Kamiccolo > Saiyans > 18 > Trunks >= Goten

I only believe trunks and goten were on par with 18 because it was 2 against one

Piccolo Jr. or Kamiccolo will always be stronger than base saiyans its fact, starting from android saga and up

16 > Kamiccolo >= 17 > 18 > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Goku > Ssj Future Trunks > Piccolo Jr. > 20 > Vegeta > Goku > Future Trunks > Gohan > Krillin > Tien > Yamcha

Perfect Cell > Assj Vegeta > Assj Future Trunks > Semi Perfect Cell > 16

Ssj2 Gohan > Perfect Cell > Cell Jr. > Ssj Gohan > Ssj Goku > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Future Trunks > Kamiccolo > 16

Ssj2 Kid Gohan > Ssj2 Teen Gohan > Ssj Teen Gohan (Angry) > Dabura > Ssj Gohan > East Supreme Kai > Kamiccolo > Goku > Vegeta > Gohan > 18 > Trunks >= Goten
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Jul 9 2013, 05:22 PM


I know this topic is old but I found those quotes about Gohan.

Gohan wants to win the tournament.
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Gohan mentions turning SSJ would be unfair
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Did Vegeta know Piccolo would enter though?
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Not sure we don't see him being told Piccolo would be there. But he doesn't take back that claim back when seeing Piccolo at the tournament, Toriyama may have been speaking through Vegeta.

Also Gohan knew Piccolo was there, he invited Piccolo to the tournament and says in the plane "turning SSJ would be unfair" Gohan is aware that Vegeta and Goku will be participating by the time he invited Piccolo so he should be confident that both had the chance of winning at Base before bringing out the SSJ rule. Since nethier would want to lose the tournament with Vegeta not wanting to lose to Piccolo
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In Vegeta's case, he only wanted to fight Goku. It's the sole reason he entered the tournament. I would wager he'd abandon the Super Saiyan restriction if it meant getting to face Goku in a later round, but that's just a theory.
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Wouldn't it have been Kuririn who said that Super Saiyan was unfair? It's more in character for him to say something like that than Gohan (and assuming that fanslation is accurate it'd be even more out of character [in Gohan's case] to say "That's better..." after everyone agreed to the rule, while it'd make sense if Kuririn's uttering the line).

Can't check anime at the moment but I'm sure Kuririn says it there.
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Well, I shouldn't discuss, because my opinion is extremely biased. My opinion, even if AT says Base Saiyans > Piccolo himself, would be Piccolo > Base Saiyans.
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Jul 24 2013, 12:19 AM
Wouldn't it have been Kuririn who said that Super Saiyan was unfair? It's more in character for him to say something like that than Gohan (and assuming that fanslation is accurate it'd be even more out of character [in Gohan's case] to say "That's better..." after everyone agreed to the rule, while it'd make sense if Kuririn's uttering the line).

Can't check anime at the moment but I'm sure Kuririn says it there.

I agree with this. It doesn't sound like something Gohan would be saying there, much less at all.

"That's way more fair. Going Super Saiyan is just like cheating!" - Viz

The way that's said, it could even be Bulma saying it.
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Jul 24 2013, 12:21 AM
Well, I shouldn't discuss, because my opinion is extremely biased. My opinion, even if AT says Base Saiyans > Piccolo himself, would be Piccolo > Base Saiyans.

That's unfortunate. You should work to put aside personal bias. I know it can be difficult; I do it every time I defend Gotenks. But it really helps produce a much more fair and honest debate. I mean, where would we be if everybody stuck to their guns throughout this series' run?
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Jul 24 2013, 12:27 AM
Lord Magus
Jul 24 2013, 12:21 AM
Well, I shouldn't discuss, because my opinion is extremely biased. My opinion, even if AT says Base Saiyans > Piccolo himself, would be Piccolo > Base Saiyans.

That's unfortunate. You should work to put aside personal bias. I know it can be difficult; I do it every time I defend Gotenks. But it really helps produce a much more fair and honest debate. I mean, where would we be if everybody stuck to their guns throughout this series' run?
Well, I am generally neutral when it comes to DBZ, but when it comes to Piccolo, I have the instinct to defend.


Anyway, from what I understand, I'll try to break it down in a logical and non-biased way;

- Base Kids are believed to be equal with Android 18.
- We know for a fact that Piccolo is stronger than her, he already was in his fight with Android 17.
- Goten is believed to be pretty close to Gohan Pre-tournament.
- Piccolo should have gotten at least twice as strong from his fight with 17 to Cell Games.

Therefore, the only people who could get close to Piccolo (based on personal gaps) is Goku. Goku is stronger than what Gohan was against Cell, and Vegeta is believed to be not too far behind.

A sidenote; AT confirms that Piccolo did in fact train in the 7 years from CG to Boo arc. His gains are only conjecture though, but it's thought to be minimal.

Piccolo (Boo Arc) > Piccolo (CG) > Base Saiyans > Piccolo (17) > Base Kids ~ Android 18.
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