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Piccolo and Base Saiyans
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 04:51 PM (6,968 Views)
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Bad example.^

Kaioshin didn't do a thing to prove he was stronger than Piccolo, and the evidence supporting him can be easily disrupted.
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Jul 10 2013, 03:19 PM
Bad example.^

Kaioshin didn't do a thing to prove he was stronger than Piccolo, and the evidence supporting him can be easily disrupted.
Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”

Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. Though there's the line which suggests Piccolo > Kaioshin;

Context: Piccolo wants to go rescue Kaioshin from Boo
Kuririn: “…Control yourself…I know how you feel, but you’ve got to control yourself…! Frankly, even you aren't any match for him…absolutely not…”

So it could be said Piccolo was lying due to respect for Kaioshin at the tournament and made up a story for leaving the fight or Krillin wasn't comparing Piccolo to Kaioshin but just using Piccolo power as general.
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The only thing you have speaking for Kaioshin is that quote, and it's not that solid. Kaioshin proves absolutely nothing the time he is in the manga.

In fact, the second quote you provide speaks for Piccolo, so does this;

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P4.6, P5.5
Vegeta: “By his nature, Kaioshin is supposed to be someone tremendous, but have you ever once thought that he was incredible? Quite the opposite, it's Kaioshin who’s been bewildered…Majin Boo is fearsome from Kaioshin’s perspective, but from ours he’s not so much…”

You could argue that Vegeta is just a disrespectful prick, but that wouldn't hold much ground.


Piccolo can sense the god chi that Kaioshin radiates, which is likely what he is sensing. This is supported (although a long time goes before it is) in Battle of Gods.
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Jul 10 2013, 04:19 PM
The only thing you have speaking for Kaioshin is that quote, and it's not that solid. Kaioshin proves absolutely nothing the time he is in the manga.
The only thing that even counters Suprme Kai > Piccolo was Krillin quote I showed which you can use, in my opinion without that Supreme Kai > Piccolo no questions asked.

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Jul 10 2013, 03:49 PM
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Jul 10 2013, 03:19 PM
Bad example.^

Kaioshin didn't do a thing to prove he was stronger than Piccolo, and the evidence supporting him can be easily disrupted.
Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”

Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. Though there's the line which suggests Piccolo > Kaioshin;

Context: Piccolo wants to go rescue Kaioshin from Boo
Kuririn: “…Control yourself…I know how you feel, but you’ve got to control yourself…! Frankly, even you aren't any match for him…absolutely not…”

So it could be said Piccolo was lying due to respect for Kaioshin at the tournament and made up a story for leaving the fight or Krillin wasn't comparing Piccolo to Kaioshin but just using Piccolo power as general.
Piccolo thought he was going up against the Grand Kaio. Unless he's stronger than the androids, this was a status issue.

Everything after the tournament contradicts Kaioshin being stronger than Piccolo. Vegeta makes fun of him for not being all he was hyped up to be, Krillin implies Piccolo is stronger, and Elder Kaioshin says he was nothing special before fusing.
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I edited my post, cenet. Please read it and re-respond :)
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Jul 10 2013, 04:19 PM
The only thing you have speaking for Kaioshin is that quote, and it's not that solid. Kaioshin proves absolutely nothing the time he is in the manga.

In fact, the second quote you provide speaks for Piccolo, so does this;

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P4.6, P5.5
Vegeta: “By his nature, Kaioshin is supposed to be someone tremendous, but have you ever once thought that he was incredible? Quite the opposite, it's Kaioshin who’s been bewildered…Majin Boo is fearsome from Kaioshin’s perspective, but from ours he’s not so much…”

You could argue that Vegeta is just a disrespectful prick, but that wouldn't hold much ground.


Piccolo can sense the god chi that Kaioshin radiates, which is likely what he is sensing. This is supported (although a long time goes before it is) in Battle of Gods.
. That means Vegeta thinks Kaioshin isn't great though that doesn't mean he thinks Piccolo is us great as Kaioshin or anything else that says Kaioshin is a weakling.

. I don't believe Kaioshin > Piccolo anyway because of Krillin's quote which was the last indication of Kaioshin and Piccolo power which could mean Piccolo was lying about Kaioshin being dimensions apart. Am pointing out it is possible that Kaioshin > Piccolo.








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Jul 10 2013, 03:49 PM
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Jul 10 2013, 03:19 PM
Bad example.^

Kaioshin didn't do a thing to prove he was stronger than Piccolo, and the evidence supporting him can be easily disrupted.
Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”

Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. Though there's the line which suggests Piccolo > Kaioshin
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Jul 9 2013, 07:50 PM
You mean no one being able to sense Kaioshin's chi at the tournament, Piccolo not knowing why he's quivering before him, and then Piccolo concluding that the reason he's afraid is because he thinks Kaioshin is the Dai Kaio? Because that's pretty faulty evidence to support "Kaioshin being stronger than Piccolo."

Vegeta: “By his nature, Kaioshin is supposed to be someone tremendous, but have you ever once thought that he was incredible?”

It's a quote from well after the Budokai events, but it's clear that this is what Piccolo was basing his assumption on as Kaioshin was giving out no chi output.
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Mix the two statements together.


Vegeta said that they couldn't sense Kaioshin or Kibito's chi, which is why Piccolo's statement is probably just an expression of stature, and not power. Kaioshin is later stated to be the weakest of all Kaioshin's and several quotes support him not being that great.
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Goku and the rest all instantly notice that Kaioshin and Kibito are strong enough to potentially give them trouble. Vegeta says they haven't been able to "estimate" Kaioshin's strength. but they clearly think it's unusually high, they just can't tell exactly how high.
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Jul 10 2013, 04:51 PM
Goku and the rest all instantly notice that Kaioshin and Kibito are strong enough to potentially give them trouble. Vegeta says they haven't been able to "estimate" Kaioshin's strength. but they clearly think it's unusually high, they just can't tell exactly how high.
They don't notice that they are strong. They notice that they are strange. Wouldn't you be worried if you couldn't sense your opponents chi?
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And if your opponents looked evil elf things?
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Basically.^

Vegeta's passage was Toriyama speaking through him, pointing out that Kaioshin was not the all-powerful god he should have been.
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Kaioshin wanted to pin Babidi , instead of killing him , whereas Piccolo just.... Nvm..
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Kaioshin was afraid of Babidi's magic, whereas Piccolo just brushed it off.
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