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Power & its branches; Power Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 12:38 PM (624 Views)
Professor Gohan
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I'd like to have a discussion about power and all of the branches to it. How much is the primary importance of power following along with how much importance of each branch has to go with.

Power seems to be mostly everything to win a fight; win or lose, being the strongest, becoming the leader in some,maybe most cases, and etc, etc for everything that relies on power.

But, power is not everything all of the time. There's some cases when the branches a fighter has is going to need to use them along with his power(or the other abilities a great fighter possess) to ensure his victory and the safety of his or her home planet.

I'd love to see some percentages, a pie chart, or something just to show how much you think power & it's branches are overall for a matter, i.e, a fight for the most part.

Examples of branches and there can very well be more that's not on my list:

  • skill
  • experience
  • durability
  • stamina
  • speed
  • mental power e.g: youki, shouki, age, intellect
  • youki & shouki
  • magic (Dabura and others)
  • Chaozu, Guldo, maybe even Babidi types of fighters
  • size
  • senses
  • reflexes

    What are your thoughts about power and its branches to it? Also, how do you think all of these work with all each other and with just another individual? Let's discuss.
Edited by Professor Gohan, Jul 9 2013, 09:43 PM.
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Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
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Professor Gohan
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Do you have any reasons for discussion?
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Professor Gohan
Jul 9 2013, 01:50 PM
Do you have any reasons for discussion?
Well not realy.

All i say is if you have the advantage in P,S,S,K everything else doesn't matter.

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Professor Gohan
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I think every little bit matters. Some may have more important duties than others.. But as a warrior or fighter, I think they need a lot of that stuff.

I'm glad you mentioned stamina, though. Boy, didn't it save Piccolo from a a rough fight? I think he had the slight power advantage to hang in there as well as some better stamina to help that out as well. Someone else may collapse against an Android like that.

I wouldn't mind talking about speed with ya as well. . .
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Power is probably 85% or more of the fight if one fighter is stronger than the other by a large enough margin. The other stuff usually only really makes a difference in equal power fight where every little thing can be taken into account. Vegeta lasted so long against Goku in the Saiyan Saga because of his huge durability, intelligence and willpower. Someone like Cui who even though they have the same power, probably would have lost long before Goku would even need a Kaioken x4.
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Jul 9 2013, 01:48 PM
Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
Um, I don't think this is true.
Those aren't all that matter in battle. . .
I think you forgot to mention skill (above all), reflexes and experience. . .
Actually, all of those matter in battle, like Prof. Gohan also stated.
Edited by Andro, Jul 9 2013, 05:31 PM.
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Jul 9 2013, 05:29 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 01:48 PM
Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
Um, I don't think this is true.
Those aren't all that matter in battle. . .
I think you forgot to mention skill (above all), reflexes and experience. . .
Skill in DBZ isn't really that important tbh. Characters with different levels of skill were shown to be fighting evenly multiple times.
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Jul 9 2013, 05:31 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 05:29 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 01:48 PM
Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
Um, I don't think this is true.
Those aren't all that matter in battle. . .
I think you forgot to mention skill (above all), reflexes and experience. . .
Skill in DBZ isn't really that important tbh. Characters with different levels of skill were shown to be fighting evenly multiple times.
I knew someone would come out and say that.
But think about it, without skill you just fight blindly.
Gokuu can't have dropped his skill from DB to DBZ just like that.
The skill remained in his fighting style, but the only thing that changed was the speed in which he used his skills.
That is why we couldn't ''witness'' most of the skills in DBZ.
You can't fight and win with no skill whatsoever, unless you catch your opponent off guard or is immobile.
It's just impossible for experienced fighters not to use skill.
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Mental powers has proven to determine many fights in the manga. At least early on. It would be dumb to write it off completely. It all depends on the gap between the two characters that fight, though.
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Jul 9 2013, 05:29 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 01:48 PM
Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
Um, I don't think this is true.
Those aren't all that matter in battle. . .
I think you forgot to mention skill (above all), reflexes and experience. . .
Actually, all of those matter in battle, like Prof. Gohan also stated.
Skill doesn't matter if opponent is stronger.

Reflexes don't matter if you are faster.

Expirience don't matter if your power is greater.


Yes some of them could matter in battle, but those that i mentioned are most important things...
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Jul 9 2013, 03:31 PM
Power is probably 85% or more of the fight if one fighter is stronger than the other by a large enough margin. The other stuff usually only really makes a difference in equal power fight where every little thing can be taken into account. Vegeta lasted so long against Goku in the Saiyan Saga because of his huge durability, intelligence and willpower. Someone like Cui who even though they have the same power, probably would have lost long before Goku would even need a Kaioken x4.
I agree with your whole point.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'd actually put power/Ki at 90-95% and then skill and the rest just help to boost a character a tiny bit.

There isn't a single time in the manga during DBZ where any of this skill stuff took place. NObody won a fight using their intellect, or their superior abilities, or techniques. They won using sheer power, having an overall stronger ki. It's perfectly shown how much skill matters with Goku vs Nappa, two fighters, one if anything being slightly stronger (Goku) and having far more abilities, techniques, skills, amplified attacks, etc. Yet was stated that the fight between him and Nappa would've gone on forever if Goku didn't get his act together and start ending things now.

Let's look at each one:

skill" Very little, you're so called skill means nothing unless your techniques include amplifying your ki in some way or somehow greatly reducing your opponents ki or abilities. There are certain techniques that matter and can be quite helpful but things like fighting style or stuff like that, is nothing.

◾ experience: Same thing as above, experience means little as Nappa showed us. If you can throw a punch, and you can back up that bunch, you need nothing else.

◾ durability: Important, see this where the bodies being effected. In a manga (DBZ part at least) where ki and power are clearly the most important thing, you need to be able to survive, take damage and be able to continue on.

◾ stamina: Important, again this actually shown to us with Freeza, you need the energy to keep moving and to keep your ki up, which again ki is important.

◾ speed: Important, again you need to be able to hit your opponent with the power and ki to hurt them.

◾ mental power e.g: youki, shouki, age, intellect: Age and intellect mean nothing, Nappa, Boo, a l ot of other dumb as **** characters, that didn't stop them from whooping *** and taking names.

◾ youki & shouki: Important but only in the sense that it actually effects ki itself which as usual is most important.

◾ magic (Dabura and others): Dabura's magic is kind of **** as we perfectly saw in the manga, some magic like Boo's magic is actually very powerful and dangerous.

◾ Chaozu, Guldo, maybe even Babidi types of fighters: If done right, it could be quite important, Guldo's time stopping, paralysis, it's things that can be useful but for some as long as the person is more powerful, their magic probably won't mean much.

◾ size: This is rather a two edged sword, depending on the circumstances it can either be important or a blade against you.

◾ senses: Helpful but mattering little. Freeza, Nappa, Pre-Namek Vegeta, Fat Boo, Kid Boo, a lot of people couldn't sense jack and that didn't stop them.

◾ reflexes: It's sort of under the same category as speed really.


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mental powers was more or less discarded in Z. It was very important up till 23rd TB.
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Jul 9 2013, 05:39 PM
Andro38Z
Jul 9 2013, 05:29 PM
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Jul 9 2013, 01:48 PM
Power, speed, stamina and ki is all that matters in battle...
Um, I don't think this is true.
Those aren't all that matter in battle. . .
I think you forgot to mention skill (above all), reflexes and experience. . .
Actually, all of those matter in battle, like Prof. Gohan also stated.
Skill doesn't matter if opponent is stronger.

Reflexes don't matter if you are faster.

Expirience don't matter if your power is greater.


Yes some of them could matter in battle, but those that i mentioned are most important things...
Yes, but you shouldn't say these are all that matter in battle.
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