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Gohan's rustiness
Topic Started: Jul 4 2013, 10:00 PM (1,788 Views)
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Now, we all know that Gohan got weaker in the 7-year gap between the Cell Saga and the Boo Saga.

It's obviously mostly power-wise, but couldn't it be because of his fighting style? The last time he fought, he was a kid; his arms and legs were shorter and his height allowed him to be more nimble when it came to fighting. Considering he hadn't fought or trained for 7 years, wouldn't he be using the same style that he was in the Cell Games? We see him trying to deviate from that, but his fight with both Dabra and Evil Boo was more of a 'street brawler' than anything else; no style or finesse behind it.

Would it have made a difference if Gohan was using a fighting style that was more in-tune with his older self?
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Probably wouldn't have made too much of a difference as Vegeta & the others seemed to mostly point to power. But he could possibly evade a few shots if he used a style that suited him more as he was way taller now.
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Gohan got his style from Piccolo. Then took some from Goku , and in Cell Games , he got a mixed Martial Arts fighting style of Goku and Piccolo , which destroyed Cell like a boss. After that , his style was completely out the scene , and forgot how to throw a single punch!!
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Skill isn't even apparent in the Manga. It's pretty much all just throwing punches and kicks, how can you even tell? The Cell beat down especially was just random kicks and punches with no skill.
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Gohan just seems to throw his skill and finesse out the window at times and seems to just rely on his power. Eg. rage boosts, SSJ2, and Mystic. Not that he doesn't have the skill, but most of the time it becomes useless because he's completely overwhelmed or overwhelming someone.
Edited by AA500, Jul 5 2013, 04:09 AM.
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Jul 4 2013, 10:19 PM
Probably wouldn't have made too much of a difference as Vegeta & the others seemed to mostly point to power. But he could possibly evade a few shots if he used a style that suited him more as he was way taller now.
Incorrect.

Both Vegeta and Goku noted Gohan's laps in skill when he was fighting Dabra. And the fact that he didn't have a rage boost when he goes SSj2 vs Kabito could explain why he was "weaker".

The skill in Z more references your ability to control and manipulate your ki, and obviously some unapparent "battle sense" that Gohan seems to have lost. The fighters from Earth are seen to have far more ki control than non-Earth fighters, this is apparent by their abilities to hide their output from scouters and increase attack power by concentrating their ki into a single point.
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I don't know if you've watched the Cell fight recently, but Gohan uses no "skill" during that. He literally just punches and kicks him to death, and what, 2 waves? that's it.

Gohan has NO fighting "style" or skill.
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Gotta disagree with this guy completely ^^^

Gohan no style? Watching the fight in Saiyan/Namek Arc , he got the fighting style of Piccolo as Piccoo taught him and learned basics. Of course he is going to use the same fighting style.

When Goku also trained along with them , he is of course going to add some Goku's fighting style and specially when fighting in ROSAT in 1 year.

How can you say he didn't had skills or style ?
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If you watched as in the anime, the whole get up close and dodge thing Gohan was doing early on was Piccolo as we are shown in his training where Piccolo is telling him don't just evade far out get up close. The whole blow for blow, fist hitting fist was Goku like with Nappa.

The way he fought Dabura in the detailed anime was infuriating to Vegeta because he couldn't adjust to his new size. He was so used to out smarting goten or playing with crooks he wasnt getting anywhere with those new long limbs vs a worthy fighter in Dabura.
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KetchupRevenge
Jul 5 2013, 04:49 AM
Toriyama Akira
Jul 4 2013, 10:19 PM
Probably wouldn't have made too much of a difference as Vegeta & the others seemed to mostly point to power. But he could possibly evade a few shots if he used a style that suited him more as he was way taller now.
Incorrect.

Both Vegeta and Goku noted Gohan's laps in skill when he was fighting Dabra. And the fact that he didn't have a rage boost when he goes SSj2 vs Kabito could explain why he was "weaker".

The skill in Z more references your ability to control and manipulate your ki, and obviously some unapparent "battle sense" that Gohan seems to have lost. The fighters from Earth are seen to have far more ki control than non-Earth fighters, this is apparent by their abilities to hide their output from scouters and increase attack power by concentrating their ki into a single point.
What I essentially meant, was that Gohan may have been able to avoid a few shots from Dabura but the pain he would have received from him would have been the same. But I do agree with your statement that skill would also affect "Ki Manipulation" in which case, Gohan's attacks may have had more affect on Dabura (due to multiplier & everything).
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I don't see why he would be rusty. He trained.
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Jul 5 2013, 10:35 AM
Gotta disagree with this guy completely ^^^

Gohan no style? Watching the fight in Saiyan/Namek Arc , he got the fighting style of Piccolo as Piccoo taught him and learned basics. Of course he is going to use the same fighting style.

When Goku also trained along with them , he is of course going to add some Goku's fighting style and specially when fighting in ROSAT in 1 year.

How can you say he didn't had skills or style ?
Which would be relevant of he showcased that in his fight. But all he did was punch and kick.
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Jul 4 2013, 10:30 PM
Skill isn't even apparent in the Manga. It's pretty much all just throwing punches and kicks, how can you even tell? The Cell beat down especially was just random kicks and punches with no skill.
How can you say that?
If you call those random punches and kicks then you say the same about a kung fu fighter.
What difference is there between a kung fu punch and a street punch?
Practically, no difference whatsoever.
The only difference between the two is that the kung fu fighter knows when / how / after or before what to use that ''random'' punch when the street fighter would just throw it with no consideration.
Something which will decide the kung fu fighter's superiority against the street fighter.

The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
Edited by Andro, Jul 5 2013, 06:08 PM.
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Jul 5 2013, 06:05 PM
Clearin
Jul 4 2013, 10:30 PM
Skill isn't even apparent in the Manga. It's pretty much all just throwing punches and kicks, how can you even tell? The Cell beat down especially was just random kicks and punches with no skill.
How can you say that?
If you call those random punches and kicks then you say the same about a kung fu fighter.
What difference is there between a kung fu punch and a street punch?
Practically, no difference whatsoever.
The only difference between the two is that the kung fu fighter knows when / how / after or before what to use that ''random'' punch when the street fighter would just throw it with no consideration.
Something which will decide the kung fu fighter's superiority against the street fighter.

The same applies for the battle between Cell and Gohan. They may have been random punches and kicks but it is how they used them that decides each their skills.
I can say it because I read the fight. How the hell can you see Goku and Piccolo's skills in that beatdown when Gohan is literally just doing the same thing every fighter in the entire series does, block, dodge, punch and kick.
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p123
Jul 5 2013, 05:05 PM
I don't see why he would be rusty. He trained.

Man , P. Where are you , just come often. I need you more in my life.

I think he was rusty though. He trained, but wasn't the same as the previous.
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