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frieza arc
Topic Started: Jul 4 2013, 05:24 PM (661 Views)
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now according to the guidebooks goku was 3000000 against frieza in base . We all know that frieza used 25 percent at first and later on he doubled his power thus outclassed goku .Now i really dont know something if goku was 3 mil and frieza 25 was at least 30 mil how did goku even survived that i mean thats a 10 gap ... Has goku used kaioken 10 all the time in order to keep up with frieza? Or there is some serious problem with the guidebooks so the whole frieza arc

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Goku used x10 and x20 Kaio-Ken after a while. Stated by Kaiosama.

Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P10.1-3
Freeza: “Where’s the vigor you had before? Have you finally used up all your power?”
Goku: “M-my power really is disappearing a whole lot…Like I thought, the 20-fold Kaio-Ken is…no good…”
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Characters survive against gaps like that all the time, plus Goku has a ton of willpower and is pretty durable.
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so goku used *10 kaioken all the time?....Hmmmm

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Jul 4 2013, 05:54 PM
so goku used *10 kaioken all the time?....Hmmmm
It's not stated, but my guess is that during the "feel eachother out" session Goku and Freeza had, Goku didn't use Kaio-Ken. He probably bumped it up after this, when Freeza was fighting with no arms.
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Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

during this dialogue frieza was 50 percent ,...was goku using kaioken *10 when frieza was 25%?
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Jul 4 2013, 06:20 PM
Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

during this dialogue frieza was 50 percent ,...was goku using kaioken *10 when frieza was 25%?
He went on to use x20 KK in the chapter right after. The chapter is conveniently called "Kaioken 20 Times".
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Even though that gap was massive he never exploded from one blow. Reason being Toriyama wanted a longer fight.
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Jul 4 2013, 06:25 PM
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Jul 4 2013, 06:20 PM
Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

during this dialogue frieza was 50 percent ,...was goku using kaioken *10 when frieza was 25%?
He went on to use x20 KK in the chapter right after. The chapter is conveniently called "Kaioken 20 Times".
I think he only used kaioken 20 when he attacked frieza with KK20 kamehameha

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Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

during this dialogue frieza was 50 percent ,...was goku using kaioken *10 when frieza was 25%?
He went on to use x20 KK in the chapter right after. The chapter is conveniently called "Kaioken 20 Times".
I think he only used kaioken 20 when he attacked frieza with KK20 kamehameha
Well, he didn't get in much fight inbetween the KHH and Genki-Dama, so.... yeah.
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Your first mistake was thinking Freeza was using 25% of his power. That is never stated anywhere to be true, and would be contradicted by him having a mild advantage over Base Goku.

Your second mistake was even considering the possibility of Goku using anything beyond Kaio-ken x2 until Freeza powered up to 50%.

1. After fighting for a while, during their warm-up, Freeza states that Goku still has power he's hiding. Goku confirms this.

2. During their Kamehameha struggle, Goku says he has no choice but to pump it up to Kaio-ken x20, which means he wasn't thinking of using it beforehand, which effectively rules it out as any reserved power.

3. That leaves only Kaio-ken x10 as his power in reserve, meaning the Kaio-ken he was using in bursts during their warm-up was merely the basic Kaio-ken.
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Jul 4 2013, 05:24 PM
now according to the guidebooks goku was 3000000 against frieza in base . We all know that frieza used 25 percent at first and later on he doubled his power thus outclassed goku .Now i really dont know something if goku was 3 mil and frieza 25 was at least 30 mil how did goku even survived that i mean thats a 10 gap ... Has goku used kaioken 10 all the time in order to keep up with frieza? Or there is some serious problem with the guidebooks so the whole frieza arc
Its not clear how much power he used against base Goku before powering up to 50%.

Goku used Kaio ken 10x only when Frieza started to kick his a*** with his 50%.

Later he used Kaio ken 20x and after that he never used Kaio ken again...
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Jul 4 2013, 07:00 PM
Your first mistake was thinking Freeza was using 25% of his power. That is never stated anywhere to be true, and would be contradicted by him having a mild advantage over Base Goku.

Your second mistake was even considering the possibility of Goku using anything beyond Kaio-ken x2 until Freeza powered up to 50%.

1. After fighting for a while, during their warm-up, Freeza states that Goku still has power he's hiding. Goku confirms this.

2. During their Kamehameha struggle, Goku says he has no choice but to pump it up to Kaio-ken x20, which means he wasn't thinking of using it beforehand, which effectively rules it out as any reserved power.

3. That leaves only Kaio-ken x10 as his power in reserve, meaning the Kaio-ken he was using in bursts during their warm-up was merely the basic Kaio-ken.
so frieza was not 25 percent hmm then why he used his half of his power which was at least 20 times stronger than goku's

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Jul 4 2013, 07:00 PM
Your first mistake was thinking Freeza was using 25% of his power. That is never stated anywhere to be true, and would be contradicted by him having a mild advantage over Base Goku.

Your second mistake was even considering the possibility of Goku using anything beyond Kaio-ken x2 until Freeza powered up to 50%.

1. After fighting for a while, during their warm-up, Freeza states that Goku still has power he's hiding. Goku confirms this.

2. During their Kamehameha struggle, Goku says he has no choice but to pump it up to Kaio-ken x20, which means he wasn't thinking of using it beforehand, which effectively rules it out as any reserved power.

3. That leaves only Kaio-ken x10 as his power in reserve, meaning the Kaio-ken he was using in bursts during their warm-up was merely the basic Kaio-ken.
so frieza was not 25 percent hmm then why he used his half of his power which was at least 20 times stronger than goku's
I wouldn't know, but if you're trying to worm your way into 25% being a logical choice beforehand, you're wrong.
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Jul 4 2013, 07:00 PM
Your first mistake was thinking Freeza was using 25% of his power. That is never stated anywhere to be true, and would be contradicted by him having a mild advantage over Base Goku.

Your second mistake was even considering the possibility of Goku using anything beyond Kaio-ken x2 until Freeza powered up to 50%.

1. After fighting for a while, during their warm-up, Freeza states that Goku still has power he's hiding. Goku confirms this.

2. During their Kamehameha struggle, Goku says he has no choice but to pump it up to Kaio-ken x20, which means he wasn't thinking of using it beforehand, which effectively rules it out as any reserved power.

3. That leaves only Kaio-ken x10 as his power in reserve, meaning the Kaio-ken he was using in bursts during their warm-up was merely the basic Kaio-ken.
so frieza was not 25 percent hmm then why he used his half of his power which was at least 20 times stronger than goku's
I wouldn't know, but if you're trying to worm your way into 25% being a logical choice beforehand, you're wrong.
I dont want to prove that frieza was 25 percent , cuz if he was ...he should not have to increased his power due to the fact that he would one shot goku
even using 25%

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