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Dabura > SPC; Maybe?
Topic Started: Jul 4 2013, 12:57 PM (1,421 Views)
Zenet
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There is a possibly that Dabura is indeed stronger than SPC. Though there is definitely a possibility he is around Perfect Cell at minimum.

Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”
This referring to SPC would make the most sense. Bolded implies Dabura was suppressed.

There is a possibility Dabura was suppressed when fighting SSJ Gohan. Explaining why Dabura wasn't impressed with Initial Majin Boo and why the quote says he is stronger than Cell.

So the conclusion could be
Dabura (Unseen full force) > SPC ? Initial Majin Boo


EDIT: Wrong section
Edited by Zenet, Jul 4 2013, 01:01 PM.
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That would be the case if you are trying to insist that Teen Gohan actually gained power instead of losing after not training for 7 years and that his SSj form was as strong as his SSj2 form as a Kid , which violates both Vegeta and Goku's Comment and Validates kaioshin's Statement that gohan is actually the strongest in the Budokai , because Dabura was actually Full Power vs SSj Teen Gohan and actually had a tiny advantage because of his better skills and magic and cheap tricks . Well , i agree with you then , which makes the power chain : SSj2 Teen Gohan > SSj2 Goku [Buu saga] = SSj2 Majin vegeta > SSj teen Gohan = SSj2 kid Gohan . Yup , this might be the only explanation to support your claim .
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It's certainly possible, but based on what we have seen of him, it's not very likely. There didn't seem to be a good reason for him to be suppressed while fighting Gohan at all.
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Jul 4 2013, 01:06 PM
That would be the case if you are trying to insist that Teen Gohan actually gained power instead of losing after not training for 7 years and that his SSj form was as strong as his SSj2 form as a Kid , which violates both Vegeta and Goku's Comment and Validates kaioshin's Statement that gohan is actually the strongest in the Budokai , because Dabura was actually Full Power vs SSj Teen Gohan and actually had a tiny advantage because of his better skills and magic and cheap tricks . Well , i agree with you then , which makes the power chain : SSj2 Teen Gohan > SSj2 Goku [Buu saga] = SSj2 Majin vegeta > SSj teen Gohan = SSj2 kid Gohan . Yup , this might be the only explanation to support your claim .
Gohan could be weaker than his kid self but not by much. Dabura may have been suppressed when fighting SSJ Gohan to gather energy for Boo.

Dabura (Unseen full force) >~ SSJ2 Gohan ? SPC > > > Suppressed Dabura >~ SSJ Gohan
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Jul 4 2013, 01:21 PM
Professor Freeza
Jul 4 2013, 01:06 PM
That would be the case if you are trying to insist that Teen Gohan actually gained power instead of losing after not training for 7 years and that his SSj form was as strong as his SSj2 form as a Kid , which violates both Vegeta and Goku's Comment and Validates kaioshin's Statement that gohan is actually the strongest in the Budokai , because Dabura was actually Full Power vs SSj Teen Gohan and actually had a tiny advantage because of his better skills and magic and cheap tricks . Well , i agree with you then , which makes the power chain : SSj2 Teen Gohan > SSj2 Goku [Buu saga] = SSj2 Majin vegeta > SSj teen Gohan = SSj2 kid Gohan . Yup , this might be the only explanation to support your claim .
Gohan could be weaker than his kid self but not by much. Dabura may have been suppressed when fighting SSJ Gohan to gather energy for Boo.

Dabura (Unseen full force) >~ SSJ2 Gohan ? SPC > > > Suppressed Dabura >~ SSJ Gohan
I have two things to say . One is that you are completely ignoring Vegeta's Comment about Gohan being Far , far stronger as a kid than his teen counterpart . Also , you ignored every other comment made by Vegeta and Goku about Gohan weakening very much in the 7 years . Dabura was using Full Power and it was evident from his looks . Why are you ignoring that ? Plus , gohan accepting that he became weaker
Secondly , did you miss the sarcasm ? i thought it was in the entire paragraph .
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Jul 4 2013, 01:36 PM
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Jul 4 2013, 01:21 PM
Professor Freeza
Jul 4 2013, 01:06 PM
That would be the case if you are trying to insist that Teen Gohan actually gained power instead of losing after not training for 7 years and that his SSj form was as strong as his SSj2 form as a Kid , which violates both Vegeta and Goku's Comment and Validates kaioshin's Statement that gohan is actually the strongest in the Budokai , because Dabura was actually Full Power vs SSj Teen Gohan and actually had a tiny advantage because of his better skills and magic and cheap tricks . Well , i agree with you then , which makes the power chain : SSj2 Teen Gohan > SSj2 Goku [Buu saga] = SSj2 Majin vegeta > SSj teen Gohan = SSj2 kid Gohan . Yup , this might be the only explanation to support your claim .
Gohan could be weaker than his kid self but not by much. Dabura may have been suppressed when fighting SSJ Gohan to gather energy for Boo.

Dabura (Unseen full force) >~ SSJ2 Gohan ? SPC > > > Suppressed Dabura >~ SSJ Gohan
I have two things to say . One is that you are completely ignoring Vegeta's Comment about Gohan being Far , far stronger as a kid than his teen counterpart . Also , you ignored every other comment made by Vegeta and Goku about Gohan weakening very much in the 7 years . Dabura was using Full Power and it was evident from his looks . Why are you ignoring that ? Plus , gohan accepting that he became weaker
Secondly , did you miss the sarcasm ? i thought it was in the entire paragraph .
Dabura is either around Perfect Cell or SPC according to that quote.

Gohan is far weaker than his kid self maybe. Though we don't even know the gap between SPC and Kid Gohan. Beside that the gap between Vegeta and Adult Gohan is not that big, Kid Trunks gave Vegeta some difficulty during sparring and Gohan had almost the same difficulty against Goten. Vegeta wasn't that much stronger than Trunks let alone Gohan.

"Dabura was using Full Power and it was evident from his looks"

How exactly?
Edited by Zenet, Jul 4 2013, 02:09 PM.
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Trunks got one lucky hit on Vegeta during sparring, Goten was actually making Gohan sweat.
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Moved to the right section. And I do believe Dabura was using his full power agaisnt SSj Gohan, otherwise he'd be directly disobeying his masters orders.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Dabura was clearly struggling with Gohan, couldn't over power him with his sword and stated by Babidi wasn't even doing much damage to him. If it wasn't for the fact that we have Goku and Vegeta's statements, Daubra>Gohan would be a near impossibility. As Dabura is very loyal to Babidi, its unreasonable for him to hold back especially when these guys have very easily busted through two of what were perhaps their best fighters like it was nothing. They need energy for Majin Boo and they need it now.

Dabura's lines should just be ignored, clearly the guy has no clue what's he's talking about.
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I would be more inclined to believe your statement if it said "Even if he WAS using his full power" instead of "Wasn't".

Also, It's not possible that Dabra is stronger than SPC, because for that to be true, Gohan would have to be fighting in SSJ2, which he clearly is not.

Vegeta was extremely confident in taking out Dabra, and to further prove my point:

Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3
Context: as Vegeta fights Boo
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”

Piccolo thinks Vegeta is stronger than Kid Gohan, but not by much. As Babidi unleashed Vegeta's potential, he would have to be weaker before. Done.
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Nope, if he were stronger than SPC, he would have crushed Gohan with no effort, and taken all of his energy. That did not happen. Instead, he needs Vegeta to do his dirty work for him, because he's not strong enough; he could have beaten Gohan if Goku's comments are any indication, but there was no way he could have taken SSJ Vegeta or SSJ Goku.
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Jul 4 2013, 04:42 PM
Nope, if he were stronger than SPC, he would have crushed Gohan with no effort, and taken all of his energy. That did not happen. Instead, he needs Vegeta to do his dirty work for him, because he's not strong enough; he could have beaten Gohan if Goku's comments are any indication, but there was no way he could have taken SSJ Vegeta or SSJ Goku.
That seems about right. Of course the other points that were also made.
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It just makes sense to me that Dabra is around the max power Cell used in his fight vs Goku. And that he can't go any higher.
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spc would one shot fpc would stomp dabura pretty quickly

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Gohan and Dabura both powered up to max and Vegeta and Goku said they were both fodder. SPC would stomp Dabura.
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