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How much skill?
Topic Started: Jul 3 2013, 10:54 PM (420 Views)
Professor Gohan
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How much does skill matter to you? What cases if you do look at them for important factors in fights?

What series does it matter most in (in your opinion)? DB, DBZ, DBGT.. Movies? What arcs/sagas?

If skill doesn't matter or doesn't matter that much, how come?

What do we have to say about skill? If we need to get into experience, combat years, etc, then be my guests.
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Dankness Lava
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The only reason skill doesnt seem to matter as much in DBZ is because powers rise so often. In DB, there isn't nearly as much fluctuation, so skill is worth much more. And let's not even get started on GT...
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Super Vegetto
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Db is all about skill.

Dbz is all about power.

Power > skill...
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EMIYA
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Skill means almost nothing in DBZ. if you can throw a punch and you've got the power and speed to back it up, that's all that matters. Skills are really only useful in very close match ups where they're needed to slowly push a victor to the win and the loser to the edge. In DB, they were far more prevalent, where the idea of skill and technique actually could decide a match.

In DBZ, it's nothing unless two opponents are already close to each other. You could have Tambourine vs Cell and despite the latter having far superior skills and abilities, if they're at equal levels, Tambourine can still put in the damage and actually put up a fight for a while.
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Skill is about as equal in DB and DBZ in the Manga. In Anime it's mostly relevant only in DB.

Skill may be somewhat important in the Manga depending on your own opinions about gaps and stuff (For example I think Vegeta stomped Dodoria so easily due to skill) but in the end a battle is 99% determined purely by power in both Dragon Ball and Z.
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fights are generally determined by power gaps. these are, at least on this forum, measured by the percent the stronger fighter is more powerful than the smaller fighter.

now, different people use different gaps, but i go with this.

5% difference = clear advantage. the weaker fighter can damage the stronger fighter, and react to their attacks, but the stronger fighter will generally land more hits, and do more damage with those hits.

15% difference = guaranteed easy win. the weaker fighter will have great difficulty landing any attacks at all, and those that do land will generally do minor damage, if any. on the other hand, he will have difficulty following his opponents movements, and even if he can block an attack, he will still take damage. the stronger fighter will not need to exert much actual effort to win.

30% difference = effortless one shot. the weaker fighter has no effective defense against the stronger fighter at all, and can't hope to land a direct attack, much less deal damage. a single serious blow from the stronger fighter, even a punch or kick, can incapacitate or even kill the weaker fighter.

skill can move these benchmarks a bit. for example, i have frieza 16.7% higher than base goku in their initial fight, but goku's superior skill kept the fight in the clear advantage category instead of the guaranteed easy win category. needless to say, this is not including frieza's reserve power. skill can move a fight by one category sometimes, if there is a large enough difference. it will almost never move a fight 2 categories. goku vs. vegeta is a notable exception. goku's skill and knowledge of the kaioken technique turned an effortless one shot fight into a clear advantage fight. vegeta still had the edge, and would have won out in the end, but without the kaioken vegeta could have simply punched goku hard enough to kill him.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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EMIYA
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"I am the bone of my sword."

One of the best places I can think of where skill had little meaning was Goku's fight against Nappa. Goku was able to fight Nappa as easily as he did initially because he was able to enrage and keep Nappa out of his mindset, which honestly co-works with that whole idea that AT spoke of with Shouki and Yuuki. Once Nappa got his nerves calmed, even Goku despite having clearly vastly more skills both in fighting prowess and technique than Nappa, stated that the fight would have gone on forever between them at their current pace.
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This ^

I just wanted to post that , but then BOOOOMM Breakfist came in my way.

I also like to at Goku vs Majin Vegeta for a example. Both of them were stated equal , but both of them were also shown to be equal in terms of skills. Whereas we can't say who was the victor of the fight.
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I agree with Clearin.
The definition of strong in the series isn't only power, strength and speed.
When someone means strong they mean every ability that helps in battle.
In other words being called ''strong'' means that you fight well in battle, not that you have strength and power.
In this case, skill is a really important, if not, top factor in fighting which also applies in real life.

So, you can't say that in DB there are more ''skills'' than there are in DBZ. We may witness more skills in DB but that doesnt mean they are superior to those in DBZ.
In DBZ skill is really important and is a type of strength. So you can't say DB- people don't rely on their strength so much DBZ - they rely only on strength.
Edited by Andro, Jul 4 2013, 10:28 AM.
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