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The Infamous 1.2x Gap; I wont buy it
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A 1.2x gap for example in the Namek saga would be a stomp but in the Android saga you would need a 1.7 gap for example. I believe this matches the plot better.
As I already noted; this does not hold true for the "Super Buu vs Gohan" and "Gohan vs Buutenks" battles [if you believe Buu's absorptions are simple additions... which most do]. Their battles generally have a suggested gap of roughly 1.4x-1.5x.
Those powers are close enough that the same gap can work and Power levels were gone at that point. Every battle isn't going to follow the same set theory due to plot being the main driving force behind he wins and who loses.
If that is what you believe, why bother talking numbers to begin with? Or convincing others to adjust theirs...
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A 1.2x gap for example in the Namek saga would be a stomp but in the Android saga you would need a 1.7 gap for example. I believe this matches the plot better.
As I already noted; this does not hold true for the "Super Buu vs Gohan" and "Gohan vs Buutenks" battles [if you believe Buu's absorptions are simple additions... which most do]. Their battles generally have a suggested gap of roughly 1.4x-1.5x.
Those powers are close enough that the same gap can work and Power levels were gone at that point. Every battle isn't going to follow the same set theory due to plot being the main driving force behind he wins and who loses.
If that is what you believe, why bother talking numbers to begin with? Or convincing others to adjust theirs...
When I make my power levels I don't take in gaps like Vegeta has to be 1.2x bigger than Dudoria I make my numbers off of plot, what I saw in a battle and what others suggest to me and then I use gaps and percentage.
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When I make my power levels I don't take in gaps like Vegeta has to be 1.2x bigger than Dudoria I make my numbers off of plot, what I saw in a battle and what others suggest to me and then I use gaps and percentage.
So you choose to apply numbers to strengths but ignore the presented numbers... a strange and foreign practice to me.
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When I make my power levels I don't take in gaps like Vegeta has to be 1.2x bigger than Dudoria I make my numbers off of plot, what I saw in a battle and what others suggest to me and then I use gaps and percentage.
So you choose to apply numbers to strengths but ignore the presented numbers... a strange and foreign practice to me.
Let me try explaining again.

Vegeta was 24,000 vs Cui at 18,000. That Gap I would use till they start Ginyu and Frieza because we've gone from 10,000 to 100,000. I would then increase the gap as I feel the 1.33x gap between Vegeta and Cui would have less effect as the same gap later in the series,

An example would be Vegeta and Dudoria at 24,000 and 20,000 which is a 1.2x gap. The same gap at 1.25x between SSJ Goku and Frieza however was a more even fight.
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When I make my power levels I don't take in gaps like Vegeta has to be 1.2x bigger than Dudoria I make my numbers off of plot, what I saw in a battle and what others suggest to me and then I use gaps and percentage.
So you choose to apply numbers to strengths but ignore the presented numbers... a strange and foreign practice to me.
Let me try explaining again.

Vegeta was 24,000 vs Cui at 18,000. That Gap I would use till they start Ginyu and Frieza because we've gone from 10,000 to 100,000. I would then increase the gap as I feel the 1.33x gap between Vegeta and Cui would have less effect as the same gap later in the series,

An example would be Vegeta and Dudoria at 24,000 and 20,000 which is a 1.2x gap. The same gap at 1.25x between SSJ Goku and Frieza however was a more even fight.
No numbers are stated for Goku/Freeza, so you can't use their "gap" to determine anything. And as I already pointed out... the gaps can't grow (or at least not a whole lot) because late Buu Arc still has 1.4x-1.5x as an absolute stomping gap.
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Well , this could very well be my last post here . And i woudl like to say that the power gap only implies for a stomp in extreme cases [When AT wants it , actually]
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When I make my power levels I don't take in gaps like Vegeta has to be 1.2x bigger than Dudoria I make my numbers off of plot, what I saw in a battle and what others suggest to me and then I use gaps and percentage.
So you choose to apply numbers to strengths but ignore the presented numbers... a strange and foreign practice to me.
Let me try explaining again.

Vegeta was 24,000 vs Cui at 18,000. That Gap I would use till they start Ginyu and Frieza because we've gone from 10,000 to 100,000. I would then increase the gap as I feel the 1.33x gap between Vegeta and Cui would have less effect as the same gap later in the series,

An example would be Vegeta and Dudoria at 24,000 and 20,000 which is a 1.2x gap. The same gap at 1.25x between SSJ Goku and Frieza however was a more even fight.
No numbers are stated for Goku/Freeza, so you can't use their "gap" to determine anything. And as I already pointed out... the gaps can't grow (or at least not a whole lot) because late Buu Arc still has 1.4x-1.5x as an absolute stomping gap.
In the daiz they are 150 and 120 million. I usually use the daiz numbers unless they don't make any sense.
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What about the SSJ3 Gotenks / Evil Boo gap?
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^ 1.1x , rivaling ?
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Jul 3 2013, 10:14 AM
^ 1.1x , rivaling ?
Gotenks was about to destroy Boo when he got serious, and it couldn't have been more than a 1.1x / 1.2x gap, right?
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Gaps dont matter.

Sometimes even weak fighters survive huge damage feats, so it all comes to plot purpouse...
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Jul 3 2013, 10:36 AM
Gaps dont matter.

Sometimes even weak fighters survive huge damage feats, so it all comes to plot purpouse...
"Plot purpose" is a cop-out and you know it. What's the point in discussing anything when a person can just say "plot purpose" and end it?
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Jul 3 2013, 10:48 AM
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Jul 3 2013, 10:36 AM
Gaps dont matter.

Sometimes even weak fighters survive huge damage feats, so it all comes to plot purpouse...
"Plot purpose" is a cop-out and you know it. What's the point in discussing anything when a person can just say "plot purpose" and end it?
Because AT didnt put so much thinking in this while everyone else think that he done it with hard core logic.

Gaps only matter when fighter is clearly outclassed, but something like Vegeta in Saiyan sags is totaly diffrent story...
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^ 1.1x , rivaling ?
Gotenks was about to destroy Boo when he got serious, and it couldn't have been more than a 1.1x / 1.2x gap, right?
Gotenks needed to go all out for however long he was fused a 1.1x gap is perfect especially in the Anime where ssj3 fusion is still 30 mins.
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Piccolo: 408/322 = 1.267
Son Goku: 416/334 = 1.245
Piccolo: 408/329 = 1.240
Vegeta: 30000/24000 = 1.250

number shows up a lot with people who've tend to have gotten impossibly stronger... also amongst the smallest numbers in which this happens
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