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The Infamous 1.2x Gap; I wont buy it
Topic Started: Jul 2 2013, 08:34 AM (2,297 Views)
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We have seen a KKx3 Goku vs a FP vegeta . Goku was 1.33x stronger than Vegeta at that time , yet he didnt stomp him .

He beat him bad enough for Vegeta to resort to blowing up the planet.
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One can argue that a 24000 Pl Vegeta stomped an 18000 Pl Cui , indicating that Goku dint want to end vegeta . But that would be invalid because i can say that that attack could very well be a highly amplified attack .

Then why not argue the same thing for the fight with Recoome?
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Plus , we saw SSj2 vegeta vs Kid Buu . Kid Buu was showing No mercy to a guy about 5x Weaker than him but actually didnt one shot him .

Nobody gets one-shotted in the Boo arc. This isn't proof of a gap.
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Kid Buu was toying with SSj2 Vegeta. He did it again when fighting base Vegeta.
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Jul 2 2013, 01:22 PM
What about the fight with Zarbon.
Z-zenet made a good point?!

I don't believe the Yuuki argument can be made right here^, at least at the start of the fight, and this gap was slightly less than 1.2x.
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If one were to argue a highly amplified attack for Vegeta against Kui, then the amp should be even higher during the fight against Recoome.
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Jul 2 2013, 07:56 PM
If one were to argue a highly amplified attack for Vegeta against Kui, then the amp should be even higher during the fight against Recoome.
If Vegeta's attack against Recoome was multiplied, then Vegeta's the weakest character in the series.
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One needs to remember that Toriyama drew Vegeta vs Recoome with the mindset that Vegeta was ~20,000.
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^ Yes . That will make Vegeta very close to Gohan and weaker than Base Zarbon . -Odd- One just cant say that one blast to finish Cui wasnt an Amplified Attack
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Amplified doesn't automatically equate to a x2 or higher. It could have been a concentrated 1.05x and worked just as well.
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The overall thing could be 2x and boom . He's gone
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You've got nothing to support that though, so we can assume that what looked like a generic blast was indeed a generic blast.
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I don't think AT wrote the story with every power level in mind when he was writing the battles. I don't try to find out what gap one needs to be stomp someone else as I said before I think gaps need to be bigger as the power levels get higher.

A 1.2x gap for example in the Namek saga would be a stomp but in the Android saga you would need a 1.7 gap for example. I believe this matches the plot better.
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Jul 3 2013, 07:21 AM
You've got nothing to support that though, so we can assume that what looked like a generic blast was indeed a generic blast.
Did look like a signature move . I mean , look at it
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Final Crash looked like a huge attack for Vegeta.

Some even called it the early Final Flash and everyone thought it was the Final Flash for a while.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Crash
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Jul 3 2013, 07:21 AM
A 1.2x gap for example in the Namek saga would be a stomp but in the Android saga you would need a 1.7 gap for example. I believe this matches the plot better.
As I already noted; this does not hold true for the "Super Buu vs Gohan" and "Gohan vs Buutenks" battles [if you believe Buu's absorptions are simple additions... which most do]. Their battles generally have a suggested gap of roughly 1.4x-1.5x.
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A 1.2x gap for example in the Namek saga would be a stomp but in the Android saga you would need a 1.7 gap for example. I believe this matches the plot better.
As I already noted; this does not hold true for the "Super Buu vs Gohan" and "Gohan vs Buutenks" battles [if you believe Buu's absorptions are simple additions... which most do]. Their battles generally have a suggested gap of roughly 1.4x-1.5x.
Those powers are close enough that the same gap can work and Power levels were gone at that point. Every battle isn't going to follow the same set theory due to plot being the main driving force behind he wins and who loses.
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