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Kaio-ken and powerscaling
Topic Started: Jun 30 2013, 03:18 AM (406 Views)
IllogicalGlory Jun 30 2013, 03:18 AM Post #1
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 The kaio-ken is described as such:

Chapter: 227 (DBZ 33), P1.3, P2.1
Kuririn: “Goku, how’d you do that? Was that something you were taught by Lord Kaio?
Goku: “Yeah. It’s called Kaio-Ken! [ ] You control all the ki in your body…momentarily amplifying it. If you get it right, then your power, speed, destructive force, and defensive force all become many times greater…”

I'm zeroing in the highlighted part because I believe it to be proof that when power level increases, destructive power and speed increase at (almost) exactly the same rate. There can be a slight disparity as seen with the Ginyu force and their various specialties, but it's never implied that Burter is twice as fast as Jeice or anything, perhaps speed and durability can deviate maybe 10% at max, but mostly it should be linear.

Why do I think this? Well, assuming that kaio-ken Goku is 2 times as powerful, destructive, fast and durable as base Goku that must mean that Goku with after training his power level to twice the level it was before is also twice as destructive, fast and durable, just like kaio-ken Goku was when his base power was half what it used to be. There's never any distinction made between increasing your power level by training or increasing your power level via kaio-ken, thus doubling your power must also double the aspects that kaio-ken doubles.

Visual Example
Goku: base power level 8,000Destructive force: 1Speed: 1Durability: 1
Goku: kaio-kenDestructive force: 2Speed: 2Durability: 2
Goku: base power level 16,000Destructive force: 2Speed: 2Durability: 2
Goku: base power level 800,000Destructive force: 100Speed: 100Durability: 100
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jun 30 2013, 04:44 PM.
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AA500 Jun 30 2013, 03:46 AM Post #2
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makes sense, it's the only way a it would in this case. A power of 1600 using Kaioken should be equal in all aspects to a power of 3200.
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+ Clearin Jun 30 2013, 09:40 AM Post #3
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 Kaioken is specifically mare to multiply your stats. Training can help grow certain stats but leave others untouched. Speed isn't relevant on powerlevel at all judging by the amount of times a character with a lower PL excepts to be faster than another.
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AA500 Jun 30 2013, 01:09 PM Post #4
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Jun 30 2013, 09:40 AM
Kaioken is specifically mare to multiply your stats. Training can help grow certain stats but leave others untouched. Speed isn't relevant on powerlevel at all judging by the amount of times a character with a lower PL excepts to be faster than another.
It doesn't seem that way to me TBH, all combat aspects of the body seem to be based on power, durability,speed etc. The only time a character was said to be extremely fast (Burter) he ended being out sped by someone stronger.
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+ Clearin Jun 30 2013, 01:11 PM Post #5
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 Characters have often stated that they think they can outrun someone stronger than them (Gohan with Fat Buu) and also said "He's fast as well as strong" along with other things along those lines.

Two characters with the same PL won't have the exact same speed or durability.
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AA500 Jun 30 2013, 01:20 PM Post #6
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Yeah, I think I see what you're saying now. I was wrong with my first post then. Someone like Burter would be faster than Recoome but probably not have as much endurance as him.
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IllogicalGlory Jun 30 2013, 04:43 PM Post #7
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Clearin
Jun 30 2013, 01:11 PM
Characters have often stated that they think they can outrun someone stronger than them (Gohan with Fat Buu) and also said "He's fast as well as strong" along with other things along those lines.

Two characters with the same PL won't have the exact same speed or durability.
True, but the difference between various characters' speed/durability won't be too much; Burter shouldn't be fast enough to run in circles around Recoome, he might be fast enough to avoid him better than someone else, but only by a small margin. Maybe there can be a 10% or so disparity between speed/durability and power, but in general, it's linear increase.
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