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| Geros Plauisble Calculations; Follow Along and Hear Me Out | |
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| Kblo247 | Jun 29 2013, 01:04 PM Post #1 |
 
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Gero observes them all from when they fight Raditz to when Nappa/Veggie arrive and then spends 4 years making calculations and preparing himself and 19 to take them out, with 16-18 as trump cards .... @ Raditz Goku 416 Piccolo 408 Tien 250 Krillin 206 Yamcha 177 Chaozu 145 * Yajirobes not given but let say 161 (half way between the two) @ Vegeta & Nappa Goku 8000 - 20x gain Piccolo 3500 - 9x Tien 1830 - 7x Krillin 1770 - 9x Yamcha 1480 - 8x Yajirobe 970 - 6x Chaozu 610 - 4x * Gohan is told he can be stronger than Piccolo if he believes so say 2000 with doubt * Vegeta is at 18,000 with his full power and no past data for Gero to compare him to but he knows he vows to return Now logically lets say Gero makes assumptions as to the guys expected gains over the next few years in case of possible threats or just a rematch: - Saiyans all make 10x Gains every year, battle lust, and DNA for zenkais (which cell knew of) - Piccolo makes 8x gains by training as hard as he did that year, every year - Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin all slack back to varying degrees but stay ready making 5x gains - Chaozus lower limits and Yajirobes work ethic cause them to be 2x gainers per @ 4 Years Later Projections Goku - 80,000,000 (not counting the kaioken x4 as his ceiling ~ 320,000,000) Vegeta - 180,000,000 Gohan - 20,000,000 (not including his rage episodes or tail growing back) Piccolo - 14,366,000 Tien - 1,143,750 Krillin - 1,106,250 Yamcha - 925,000 Chaozu - 9,760 Yajirobe - 15,520 My argument is that it is plausible Gero accounted for levels that would look something like that 4 years later. Can we all mostly agree? If so, continue on to my next point ... Gero couldn't account for King Kais training the humans, SSJ, Gurus potential unlock, Namekian merger with Nail, and most of all Trunks telling them they will all die bloody and permanently, so train like you've never trained before intensity wise. My conclusion is that is how Gero mixes up Yamcha for maybe a suppressed Goku. That is why 19 can survive ssj sick Goku pummeling him as he's programmed for those type of calculations and kaioken x4. Its also why Vegeta is expected to be the next main course after Goku and the others can all be lumped together while all being suppressed. So is it hard to imagine: - Tien is mid 8 figures now after training hard but having locked potential? - Yamcha is low 8 figures, thinks they are a fairy tale but trains hard? - Krillin is high 8 figures because of the potential unlock and training? - Gohan is the strongest base saiyan to not transform ever as Goku never told him how until ROSAT, which is why he leapfrogs everyone? - Can the main 3 humans get enough credit to be taken as threats to second form Frieza if they only had natural growth? Then can they get even more with training their butts off and be given the belief that they can each match up to varying percentages of not just third but final from Frieza? [/ZNERDRANT] Edited by Kblo247, Jun 29 2013, 02:38 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 29 2013, 01:16 PM Post #2 |
 
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Yeah I agree with this. Also , Gero is careful about the Saiyans having tails and turning into a Oozaru , thus making the Androids hard AF. He also knows about the Zenkai's I guess , so the gains they make will be huge if they (ever fight again) , making the Androids double so freaking strong like 17,18 and then 16. Not to mention, he knows about Capsule Corp technologies , and rivals them as they can let the Saiyans train under gravity's , or ships whatever and stuff. 3 Base Saiyans with one huge potential hidden powers , one Namek who can fuse , one Earthling with high potential , one Earthling with hard training method , another Earthling with a keep-up mentality: making Androids who are stronger than Frieza is a legend work. Dr.Gero is a Legend in Z. He gets a Hall of Fame IMO. |
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| Kblo247 | Jun 29 2013, 01:22 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah logically he can never predict if Gohan or Vegeta will regrow theirs ever again. That to me just means that's how 18 and 17 are single digit billion fighters. He had to account for that stuff and Gokus kaioken. Logically speaking the things he couldn't account for like ssj, king Kai, Nail, and Trunks warning means where people have the guys getting after hard training the hardest they were ever supposed to train, doesn't make a lot of sense. If they all maintained a semi steady pace with what they were doing, the humans could fall in 2 form Frieza tier based off math, same with Piccolo and Gohan being in final form Frieza tier. Their training just elevated the whole lot to other levels even the PTO wouldn't have believed. It was a Geros a genius and give them all some more credit thing, especially since a year after Nappa when Goku comes from Yardrat, its not even arguable that the whole group aside from Yajirobe are already beyond those expected next years gains quite easily from Goku to Vegeta to Gohan to Piccolo to Krillin to Tien to Yamcha to Chaozu, they have all lapped them for varying reasons so training hard and even making minimal gains the next proceeding 3 years should put them well out those calculations I posted reach Edited by Kblo247, Jun 29 2013, 01:31 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 29 2013, 02:32 PM Post #4 |
 
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Other than using those official numbers like you have, I can agree to a similar scale. |
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| Super Gohan | Jun 29 2013, 03:18 PM Post #5 |
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Dr. Gero’s main focus was on Goku, the others weren’t shown to have been given as close attention. He probably wouldn’t waste time calculating what gains the others would make when Goku was always regarded as being above them. #20 states that because of Goku’s age, he was not expected to have increased as much as before: Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P8.6-7 Goku: “I see…But did you spy on the battle on Planet Namek too?” No.20: “There was no need. By the battle with Vegeta and co., we had already completely grasped your power and techniques. We calculated that no matter how much you improved afterwards, considering your age, you wouldn’t have any increases as enormous as you had before…” Even with the Kaioken those calculations are nowhere near plausible. |
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| Kblo247 | Jun 29 2013, 10:18 PM Post #6 |
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Goku had a 20x gain in a year ... It's why I plateaued it to half that every year. Likewise 19 was built to take punches from a weakened ssj Goku that would have killed Frieza and been near that kiaoken level. 320M is well above Goku on Namek and plausible for heart attack Kakarot as piccolo said his power should have been more staggering and Gohan saw something was not right too. |
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| Super Gohan | Jun 30 2013, 01:40 AM Post #7 |
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From the 12 some-odd years he monitored Goku, the only period that lead to such an enormous increase was when he died and had training outside of Earth. Why would Dr. Gero logically assume Goku’s power would increase as much as ten times per year when all the earthbound training he’s accumulated up from the start probably never reached close to that? In addition to the age factor effectively minimizing even the special circumstance of leaving the Earth. The Androids’ durability is not based on Ki. It’s not essential for them to have power equivalent to beings that would rely on Ki for such a purpose. |
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| Kblo247 | Jun 30 2013, 05:03 AM Post #8 |
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Maybe just maybe he has a reason to train his butt off now and learned how to carry said training over from his godly teacher, and would pass said teachings down to the rest of the bang. Not to mention if you include Kaioken, Gokus power went from 400 to 32000 in a year ... That's a quantum leap of 80x in bursts. Could he chance him simply taking times off now as they were told by Vegeta there was no peace time, just him coming back to kill them all? It isnt like Majunior at all, Vegeta is a threat, and declares he will kill them all and palns to follow through, whereas Majunior just lived aloof stewing. And who even knows when he started to quantify pls as you could very well argue he got the data from spying on Bulma and Raditz with Raditz scouter and then took Nappas from the battle field which was never accounted for to help his own tech like Capsule Corp used debris from Gokus ship and Vegetas armor.
Edited by Kblo247, Jun 30 2013, 05:06 AM.
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| Super Gohan | Jun 30 2013, 03:28 PM Post #9 |
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The indication is that whatever gains Goku made wouldn’t be significant enough to account for. #20 makes it clear that there was no longer a need to gather data on Goku after the battle with Vegeta, and his capabilities wouldn’t be a far cry from where they were at that point. If Dr. Gero truly anticipated Goku to continue making the biggest gains he’s had in his life, then it counteracts any incentive to stop. Evidently he expected Goku had almost reached his peak, and was convinced increases that high would never occur again for him. |
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