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Topic Started: Jun 28 2013, 05:53 PM (1,050 Views)
Volt the Mean Jul 12 2013, 06:40 AM Post #16
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Jul 12 2013, 03:16 AM
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Jul 11 2013, 08:36 AM
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Jul 11 2013, 05:39 AM
No that's not true at all. Jack was way more valuable to the team than he was a detriment. All of his errors were magnified like with many other athletes like LeBron or Tony Romo.

Iguodala's offense is nowhere near on par with Jarret Jack's even though his defense is much better. Iguodala is also a luxury to the warriors, because they should have there shooting guard and small forward positions locked up for the future with Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes. They would have been better off getting a better back up point guard for Curry, because his injury problems will always be a concern.
Ewwww did you just say Iggy's offense isnt better than jacks" LOL all jack has is the most awful shot in the NBA the long 2, and he misses more than he makes. The only reason he was valuable to the Dubs was so Curry can have a breather or become a spot up shooter as Mitas suggested. And Iggy does all Jack does minus that horrendous long 2 that Jack shoots.

Besides the Dubs already replaced Jack and Landry, with Marrecce and Tony Douglas, lol and if that isn't enough add Iggy to the mix. Dubs FO is feasting right now! :w00t:
Yes Iguodala's offense is nowhere near on par with Jack's offense. Jack is a better shooter, better finisher (yeah he might not dunk, but he is great at finishing at the rim still), better free throw shooter, and not too far off in the slashing department.

You just proved my point. Jack is valuable, because he can spell Curry and take over incase his ankle betrays him. What is Iguodala gonna do? Stunt Thompson and Barnes's growth plus add salary that is completely unnecessary considering his 13 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists per game are nearly attained by Jarrett Jack for half the cost.

I still think keeping Jack was the best thing for the warriors to do this off season. I'll admit that Maureese Speights is a good solution to replace Landry, but Toney Douglas can't bring anything to the table that Jack can.

In the playoffs, the Warriors struggled to score the ball when Thompson or Curry weren't hitting there shots. How is a pass first guy going to help them? Same thing happened in OKC. Westbrook went down, so Durant had to carry, but he couldn't do it without Harden. You need that guy off the bench that can score for you.

Edit - Furthermore, Iguodala's strengths of slashing, defense is still a a luxury to the Warriors. Thompson is turning into a very good defensive player. Barnes showed a solid base for defense in his rookie season, plus Barnes is an excellent slasher himself and Thompson is working on his slashing. Our guard spots are set, we never needed Iguodala.

Edit Part 2: I'm defending Jarrett Jack, but I actually do not really like him myself lol.
LOL! No, Igoudala finished only second to Lebron to finishing near the rim, he showed he can shoot maybe not as great as Kobe but when you got Curry, Klay, Barnes (still improving his O game, which is scary cuz he averaged 18.5 ppg in the playoffs), a healthy Lee, and a pretty solid bench you really dont need much.

Iggy is THE BEST PERIMETER DEFENDER in the NBA, hes a great slasher and an amazing passer… Why I disagree with people who thinks having Iguodala can stunt the growth of either Barnes or Thompson. I actually feel with Iguodala there to groom the two, and if he can rub his defensive prowess onto those two, we’d have 2 more defensive monsters.

Heck, also let Curry go under his tutelage for defense, and Iguodala in turn under Curry for shooting. Dun dun dun…

Yes Jack can drive ever now and then but so can half the NBA lul, he had TERRIBLE handles I mean just sad to watch, Iggy is a SF and easily surpasses Jack in that department. Btw Tony Douglas is no joke the kid can straight up defend any guard not named Westbrook.

And how dare you compare Durant and Westbrook to Curry and Jack that's just repulsive! As you've seen last year in the playoffs Barns a 20 year old rookie was Curry's Durant, and trust me offensively when Curry and Klay have off nights Barnes and Lee will more than make up for it.

The Dubs FO knew how expendable and replaceable Jack was to the team, that's why they didn't think twice to S&T him away to Cleveland.
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Hurry My Curry Jul 12 2013, 10:13 PM Post #17
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 Iguodala being the best perimeter defender in the game is certainly debatable when you have monsters like Tony Allen and LeBron James running around out there. As stated earlier, Thompson is already a pretty good defender and is only going to get better with time. Harrison Barnes has very good athleticism and already showed a solid base for defense in his rookie season. There is no need for Iguodala on this team. There never was. All he is going to do is take away minutes from Thompson or Iguodala. The Warriors already have two players similar to Iguodala, both on rookie contracts. There was never any point in spending money on Iggy.

Yeah, I'm a Warriors fan and I don't think Curry will ever be that great a defender, Iggy's help or not. He lacks size and footspeed. Thompson has length, while Barnes has speed, so they have potential to be really good defenders. Iggy has length and athleticism, that's why he is a great defender.

OKC and the Warriors went through the same situation...GSW's second leading scorer went down (Lee), same with OKC. Curry and Durant both struggled to carry the team, whether it was fatigue or shots just plain not going in. They both lacked secondary scorers that can make there own shot. I don't care how good a slashed Iguodala is, he has never been great at creating his own shot. When he was in Philly and he was the main option, his efficiency went down. Jack creates his own shot very well and efficiently.
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Volt the Mean Jul 12 2013, 11:30 PM Post #18
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Jul 12 2013, 10:13 PM
Iguodala being the best perimeter defender in the game is certainly debatable when you have monsters like Tony Allen and LeBron James running around out there. As stated earlier, Thompson is already a pretty good defender and is only going to get better with time. Harrison Barnes has very good athleticism and already showed a solid base for defense in his rookie season. There is no need for Iguodala on this team. There never was. All he is going to do is take away minutes from Thompson or Iguodala. The Warriors already have two players similar to Iguodala, both on rookie contracts. There was never any point in spending money on Iggy.

Yeah, I'm a Warriors fan and I don't think Curry will ever be that great a defender, Iggy's help or not. He lacks size and footspeed. Thompson has length, while Barnes has speed, so they have potential to be really good defenders. Iggy has length and athleticism, that's why he is a great defender.

OKC and the Warriors went through the same situation...GSW's second leading scorer went down (Lee), same with OKC. Curry and Durant both struggled to carry the team, whether it was fatigue or shots just plain not going in. They both lacked secondary scorers that can make there own shot. I don't care how good a slashed Iguodala is, he has never been great at creating his own shot. When he was in Philly and he was the main option, his efficiency went down. Jack creates his own shot very well and efficiently.
:D Obviously Jack is gonna get the unguarded long 2 shot, throughout the season he was very off and on with it, and no Jack cannot create his own shot as you stated, Did you see the Denver series?! Jack was completely useless in that series, the only reason he got off maybe two or three drives to the basket was because it was the Spurs their main big man is a fossil in Tim Duncan.

If you're a Warriors fan you should know how inconsistent Jack was, yea he'd go streaks where he played good for a good amounts of games, but all he was and will ever be is a backup with poor handles, and poor shot selection. (lol except for those glorious drives against the Spurs that your riding so hard xD)

And Iggy IS the best perimeter shot defender in the NBA statistically, and psychically. I still don't understand how you can say that Iggy is gonna stunt the growth of Harrison Barnes and Klay, the projected starting lineup is...

Pg. Curry/ Douglas=/=Iggy*/ Bazemore/ Nedoking-"this years rookie"
Sg. Klay/ Iggy/ Bazemore
Sf. Iggy/ Barnes*/ Green
Pf. Lee/ Marreece=/=Barnes*/ Green
C. Bogut/ O'neil/ Ezeli

Even tho Barnes is gonna be a backup he is still gonna average 22.5 mpg and play a lot with the starters anyway. Barnes is only 21! Whats wrong for him to learn from the best in his position, the same goes for Klay, they can only get better.

EDIT: and LOL yea lets talk about money, the Dubs were paying Beans 11mil and Richerd Jefferson 10mill this year, they were dead weight and guess what the Dubs turned that dead weight into? A gold medalist, and ALL STAR Andre Igoudala! Now that's FO magic sir!

How lucky are the Dubss to say that their first person off the bench is Harrison Barnes! Lol
Edited by Volt the Mean, Jul 12 2013, 11:34 PM.
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Hurry My Curry Jul 13 2013, 08:09 AM Post #19
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 I don't know how Jack doesn't create his own shot when he came off the bench with guys like Draymond Green and Ezeli who don't create there own shots. Who's doing it then/? Draymond Green? Obviously Jack does know how to create his own s***. For the regular season, Jarrett Jack averaged 13 points 5 assists on 45% shooting from the field and 40% from the three point line. Andre Iguodala averaged 13 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists per game on 45% shooting from the field and 33% shooting from the three point line. In the post season, Jarrett Jack averaged 18 ppg on 50% shooting from the field and 30% from three point line. Andre Iguodala averaged 18 ppg, 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game on 50% shooting from the field and 48% from the three point line. Now tell me one more time how Jack is inefficient and can't create his own shot like iguodala when there efficiency was THE EXACT SAME regular season and post season. Oh and this on Jack's supposed barrage of long two's and when Iguodala is supposedly the 2nd best finisher at the rim only behind LeBron James. If he was that good at finishing at the rim, why is his field goal percentage still nowhere near 50%? Sounds to me like Iggy isn't great at getting to the rim OR he's the one that takes a barrage of long two's,

Tell me which perimeter defenders made All NBA First team. Oh I can tell you, Chris Paul, Tony Allen, and LeBron James. Tell me who was runner up for defensive player of the year? Oh yeah LeBron James. Are you sure Iguodala is a better perimeter defender than LeBron or Tony Allen?

Iguodala is going to stunf the growth of Thompson or Barnes as he is going to take minutes away and there is nothing they can learn from him other than defense which they were already getting pretty good at throughout the year. Iggy can't teach Thompson how to shoot and he doesn't need to teach Barnes how to slash.

Harrison Barnes has the most potential of anyone on the entire Warriors, Stephen Curry included. It's stupid to give him less minutes when he already showed he can contribute at a high level given starter minutes.

With that money that the Warriors gained from getting rid of Biedrins and Jefferson, they could have made a run at the REAL SUPERSTARS in the 2014 class, not the overrated ones in this class.

Anyway, we're not getting anywhere, let's just agree to disagree.
Edited by Hurry My Curry, Jul 13 2013, 08:11 AM.
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* Mitas Jul 13 2013, 09:50 AM Post #20
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 Andre Iguodala shot 68% at the rim. Him being the 2nd most efficient player at the rim is not debatable, it's fact. His jump shooting is what brought his efficiency down and in Golden State he isn't going to be asked to shoot anywhere near as much as he did in Denver. His job on offense will be to handle the ball occasionally and drive and cut to the rim. Golden State will bring out the best of Iguodala's offensive game as he will not be needed to score like he was in Denver and Philly.

As for defence, Klay Thompson isn't anywhere close to Iguodala. Thompson allowed his wing opponents (SG/SF) to shoot and eFG% of 50% and have a Player Efficiency (PER) rating of 15. While not exactly terrible, it doesn't match-up to Iguodala who allowed 45% and and 11 PER. Plus, Iguodala's stats here are against the best wing player every night. Klay would have split these duties with Barnes.
I know that's just throwing up stats, but that is proof. Yes it may be debatable whether he is a better perimeter defender than Tony Allen or LeBron, but there is almost definitely little to nothing between the three.

At the end of the day, Iguodala is going to be used as a 'bonus' type player for the Warriors, meaning they will only be using him for his strengths. He's not good enough to be the first-option on offence, but he is more than qualified to be the 3rd, 4th or 5th (behind Curry, Thompson, Lee and Barnes) and they are picking him up for his defence anyway.
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Hurry My Curry Jul 14 2013, 08:45 AM Post #21
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 If Iguodala finishes so well at the rim, why does he settle for silly jump shots that he knows he can't make? So basically they're paying Iguodala 12 million a year to give Curry a little break offensively, drive to the basket every once in a while, and play defense. Nice acquisition.

Also, Iguodala's been in the league 10 years now and plays elite defense. Thompson's been in the league 2 seasons and already is used to cover the best player on the opposite team. Iguodala's skills are redundant on this team. After this season, I knew the Warriors were going to splurge in free agency to try and take that next step instead of being patient like they had been during there rebuild.

Note: I am not saying that acquiring Iggy doesn't makes the Warriors better, just that there were cheaper alternatives in free agency or we could have wait for Biedrins and Jefferson's contracts to expire next summer and go after a real superstar free agent.
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+ miguelnuva Jul 17 2013, 11:22 AM Post #22
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 Do the NBA teams have any loyalty left trading garnett maybe but trading paul pierce?
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Volt the Mean Jul 18 2013, 12:37 AM Post #23
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Do the NBA teams have any loyalty left trading garnett maybe but trading paul pierce?
The NBA is a business, player will get traded/cut regardless of what they did in the past, besides need to leave the past and focus on the future, they got a lot of goon young talent and many picks for those guys.

The Celtics were smart unlike LA... Lol they pretty much gave everything had for Dwight and Nash only to backfire. And look what they were left with, pretty much nothing, GUTTED!
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Hurry My Curry Jul 19 2013, 03:25 AM Post #24
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 It's a what have you done lately for me lately league. Celtics weren't going to contend with the current core, they were right to break it up and go into full rebuilding mode. With Rondo possibly out for a while to begin the season, it looks like they are going to have a chance to go after a Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, etc..
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Hurry My Curry Jul 24 2013, 08:31 AM Post #25
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 Sorry for the double post, but editing my post above doesn't really bump the topic so everyone can see it. Anyone wanna shed some light on why Brandon Jennings hasn't resigned yet? I know he's a chucker and is totally inefficient, but he's got loads of potential and his chucker mate Monta Ellis got signed, kinda surprised he hasn't been offered anything.
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