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Video about homosexuality; your thoughts
Topic Started: Jun 28 2013, 01:55 PM (428 Views)
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I really didnt see any reason to post this under deep discussion since there's already a topic about homosexuality



What are your thoughts? Im remaining neutral on this so I can listen to your guys' thoughts.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Had to have a laugh at the guy called Christian...


Personally I don't believe everyone who is gay is born that way, some can be yes but I don't think it's always decided what you're preference is going to be as soon as you're born, I believe your life up until you're sexually mature dictates what orientation you're going to end up as.

Not meaning the overbearing mother thing.
There are a number of things people can do that change their levels of testosterone and estrogen, the latter in a male "feminizes" them so a boy being brought up like a girl and having their head filled with how they should only be with men and that women are disgusting, regardless of genes, they're likely to be homosexual when sexuality becomes a part of them.


I don't think it's such a this or that thing as people say it depends on how your life goes generally like upbringing and what effect puberty had on you.

Hypothetically if there was a "gay test" available at birth, is that a good thing? Religious nuts would be able to single people out a lot more and a lot of stern families against homosexuality would abandon their kids more, I don't think a "gay test" should ever be made, people should find out what they are on their own.

Cartoon was still funny though.
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Well as it seems right now the further down the generations you go, the more accepting of homosexuals we become. Last generation you couldn't even fathom the idea that someone would stick up for homosexuals. Nowadays a good portion of the country is accepting of homosexuals and lunatics (Westboro Baptist church) are shunned and disgraced for what they do against homosexuals. I don't think gay tests would be as bad as they would be if they were lets say introduced in the 1950's. Although I think your sexuality should be kept in private though so i think a gay test would go against what i believe.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Yeah it's definitely becoming more and more accepted but I doubt ignorant religious people(I mean the ignorant ones not that religion is ignorant) are going to accept it any time soon. And there'll always be some general a***** that won't.

"Gays are destroying America" and such.
It's really quite funny seeing people stand around protesting with banners saying crap like that, do they think every homosexual person is going to see that on TV and go "Wow, I am so wrong!" *flicks gay switch*


If anything I think the way scientists suggest people are born with a gay gene makes it sound more like a disease or mutation, like it's something that can be cured.
And if say it actually is something like that people are going to be more inclined to say that it's unnatural and should be "fixed"

For that I don't think it's something that should be researched people should just learn to live with it. People are either gay or they're not, it's just a part of life.
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The video seems extremely biased towards homosexuals.
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There are a number of things people can do that change their levels of testosterone and estrogen, the latter in a male "feminizes" them so a boy being brought up like a girl and having their head filled with how they should only be with men and that women are disgusting, regardless of genes, they're likely to be homosexual when sexuality becomes a part of them.

I would disagree with that. I mean, yes, it is obviously possible for a man to be brought up that way and end up homosexual, but I don't believe that they are "likely" to be homosexual. I go with the theory that homosexuality is most often a trait that you are born with and develops very early on but can also be a learned trait or a trait that is chosen (although this occurs much less frequently).

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Hypothetically if there was a "gay test" available at birth, is that a good thing? Religious nuts would be able to single people out a lot more and a lot of stern families against homosexuality would abandon their kids more, I don't think a "gay test" should ever be made, people should find out what they are on their own.

I would consider it a good thing. It would prove that being gay is most usually something that you are born with and would quell religious nuts. No stern family would abandon their child at birth because they are born gay, unless they are psychotic.
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Jun 29 2013, 05:29 AM
The video seems extremely biased towards homosexuals.
What makes ya think that? I though it was rather well done all things considered.
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Jun 28 2013, 05:17 PM
Had to have a laugh at the guy called Christian...


Personally I don't believe everyone who is gay is born that way, some can be yes but I don't think it's always decided what you're preference is going to be as soon as you're born, I believe your life up until you're sexually mature dictates what orientation you're going to end up as.


I don't see how you can choose to be gay. As the video says, it's just something you know. It's not 'oh yes I want to have sex with that male/female' it's just which gender you find yourself attracted to.

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Not meaning the overbearing mother thing.
There are a number of things people can do that change their levels of testosterone and estrogen, the latter in a male "feminizes" them so a boy being brought up like a girl and having their head filled with how they should only be with men and that women are disgusting, regardless of genes, they're likely to be homosexual when sexuality becomes a part of them.


I don't think it's such a this or that thing as people say it depends on how your life goes generally like upbringing and what effect puberty had on you.



That's getting away from sexual orientation. You can be a feminine straight male or a manly straight female. We're talking about gender roles now, which is totally different and not relevant to sexual orientation. A boy can play with princess dolls and still like girls.

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Hypothetically if there was a "gay test" available at birth, is that a good thing? Religious nuts would be able to single people out a lot more and a lot of stern families against homosexuality would abandon their kids more, I don't think a "gay test" should ever be made, people should find out what they are on their own.

Cartoon was still funny though.


I agree. I don't think a 'gay test' should be made. It's not something that matters. You should have as much reaction to something say they're gay as someone saying hello.

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Jun 29 2013, 12:01 AM


If anything I think the way scientists suggest people are born with a gay gene makes it sound more like a disease or mutation, like it's something that can be cured.
And if say it actually is something like that people are going to be more inclined to say that it's unnatural and should be "fixed"

For that I don't think it's something that should be researched people should just learn to live with it. People are either gay or they're not, it's just a part of life.


Or people should learn not to judge others and try to change them because they think other people should live according to their own ideals.

I would be very interested in learning what determines our sexual orientation. What makes a person attracted to the opposite gender? What makes them attracted to the same gender? What makes them attracted to inanimate objects? I've always been in support of science finding out the truth because it frees our minds.

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I would be very interested in learning what determines our sexual orientation. What makes a person attracted to the opposite gender? What makes them attracted to the same gender? What makes them attracted to inanimate objects? I've always been in support of science finding out the truth because it frees our minds.

Here's my own personal take on it. I'll try to explain it as best I can, but lord knows I need help in the area of explaining things. :p

As we grow up, we are immersed in our own culture, and from a very young age children are exposed to nothing but heterosexual relationships. Take Disney movies, for example, or their parents (unless they are raised in a gay household). Their friends at school are likely to talk about their own parents, and it is always taught (whether consciously or not) that girls like boys and boys like girls. That's just how our society functions. Gay children are surrounded by this same exact culture. Some of them may have gay-friendly parents, but that doesn't omit the fact that most everything around them is coated in heterosexuality. This is why many gay children are led to believe that they are straight. They grew up in this society where heterosexuality is the norm, and oftentimes they are raised in households that reject the idea of homosexuality completely. This, in my opinion, is the main reason that people have convinced themselves that being gay is something you choose - because signs of homosexuality are very repressed due to the society that we live in. These signs don't normally appear until much later, often in the teen years. I am willing to bet that if we lived in a society where homosexuality was ingrained in our culture just as much as heterosexuality, very few people would still believe that homosexuality is a choice.

Like everything, however, homosexuality can be a choice, but this is rare. Anything can be a choice if looked at it the right way. I hope my argument made some lick of sense, but it may be completely irrelevant. *shrugs*
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I would be very interested in learning what determines our sexual orientation. What makes a person attracted to the opposite gender? What makes them attracted to the same gender? What makes them attracted to inanimate objects? I've always been in support of science finding out the truth because it frees our minds.

Here's my own personal take on it. I'll try to explain it as best I can, but lord knows I need help in the area of explaining things. :p

As we grow up, we are immersed in our own culture, and from a very young age children are exposed to nothing but heterosexual relationships. Take Disney movies, for example, or their parents (unless they are raised in a gay household). Their friends at school are likely to talk about their own parents, and it is always taught (whether consciously or not) that girls like boys and boys like girls. That's just how our society functions. Gay children are surrounded by this same exact culture. Some of them may have gay-friendly parents, but that doesn't omit the fact that most everything around them is coated in heterosexuality. This is why many gay children are led to believe that they are straight. They grew up in this society where heterosexuality is the norm, and oftentimes they are raised in households that reject the idea of homosexuality completely. This, in my opinion, is the main reason that people have convinced themselves that being gay is something you choose - because signs of homosexuality are very repressed due to the society that we live in. These signs don't normally appear until much later, often in the teen years. I am willing to bet that if we lived in a society where homosexuality was ingrained in our culture just as much as heterosexuality, very few people would still believe that homosexuality is a choice.

Like everything, however, homosexuality can be a choice, but this is rare. Anything can be a choice if looked at it the right way. I hope my argument made some lick of sense, but it may be completely irrelevant. *shrugs*
It makes a lot of sense. I've been thinking along similar lines the more I think about sexuality because it can be so varied and is nothing like what I was taught to expect it to be. (pansexual, asexual, demisexual, etc; there is so much more than straight and gay)

There is actually a video I once watched that reminds me of what you're talking about (being raised in a prevalent homosexual environment) Let me see if I can find it.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3ROXTFfkcfo

It's very powerful.
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See, this is the very reason I find it hard to take things like this seriously. It's totally biased towards the idea of homosexuality and how "right" it should be. How is that an argument?

Biased video is biased.

If I were to make a video about that with the same intent, but towards a CHRISTIAN perspective, my Lord. I'd be ran off any website on the internet.
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I don't think the video was meant to be taken completely serious. I mean, it obviously was as it states a lot of common misconceptions and facts, but at the same time it feels almost like a parody to me.
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Jun 29 2013, 06:39 AM
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I would be very interested in learning what determines our sexual orientation. What makes a person attracted to the opposite gender? What makes them attracted to the same gender? What makes them attracted to inanimate objects? I've always been in support of science finding out the truth because it frees our minds.

Here's my own personal take on it. I'll try to explain it as best I can, but lord knows I need help in the area of explaining things. :p

As we grow up, we are immersed in our own culture, and from a very young age children are exposed to nothing but heterosexual relationships. Take Disney movies, for example, or their parents (unless they are raised in a gay household). Their friends at school are likely to talk about their own parents, and it is always taught (whether consciously or not) that girls like boys and boys like girls. That's just how our society functions. Gay children are surrounded by this same exact culture. Some of them may have gay-friendly parents, but that doesn't omit the fact that most everything around them is coated in heterosexuality. This is why many gay children are led to believe that they are straight. They grew up in this society where heterosexuality is the norm, and oftentimes they are raised in households that reject the idea of homosexuality completely. This, in my opinion, is the main reason that people have convinced themselves that being gay is something you choose - because signs of homosexuality are very repressed due to the society that we live in. These signs don't normally appear until much later, often in the teen years. I am willing to bet that if we lived in a society where homosexuality was ingrained in our culture just as much as heterosexuality, very few people would still believe that homosexuality is a choice.

Like everything, however, homosexuality can be a choice, but this is rare. Anything can be a choice if looked at it the right way. I hope my argument made some lick of sense, but it may be completely irrelevant. *shrugs*
It makes a lot of sense. I've been thinking along similar lines the more I think about sexuality because it can be so varied and is nothing like what I was taught to expect it to be. (pansexual, asexual, demisexual, etc; there is so much more than straight and gay)

There is actually a video I once watched that reminds me of what you're talking about (being raised in a prevalent homosexual environment) Let me see if I can find it.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3ROXTFfkcfo

It's very powerful.
i've seen that. the main message i get from the satire is that discrimination of any kind has massive impacts on people

my take on the choice debate u guys r havin is that people's genetics and prenatal development makes them more/less susceptible, and society (e.g., culture, upbringing) and environment (e.g., food intake and how all that s***, other prenatal s***, and how they affect one's hormones, etc.) just further facilitates the development of their orientation. the only choice i see is whether people decide to come out or not.
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