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| + Pyrus | Jun 28 2013, 07:49 AM Post #16 |
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Does any of the following post answer some of your questions? http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8515914&t=8371634
I do believe I debunked this in the big post of mine that you quoted. Simply put, Kaioshin's performance against Boo is not an indication of his power. Another thing. Kaioshin did display awe at Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power, albeit he didn't "s*** his pants." Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4 Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?” Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!” Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…” Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…” This wasn't entirely explained in my big post, but the events in Babidi's spaceship only really make sense if you go with the idea that Kaioshin simply forgot how strong Super Saiyan 2 Gohan was (after entering the ship until prior to Goku's fight), otherwise you end up with Base Vegeta > Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Pui-Pui & Yakon both being Super Saiyan 2 tier creatures. Kaioshin recounts holding back Gohan after Goku kills Yakon, and in doing so he remembers how strong Gohan was by the amount of difficulty in doing so. Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.5 Context: Vegeta and Goku talk about Dabra not being so tough Kaioshin: “Un-unbelievable. Is this ‘Super Saiyan’ thing really this great?...Come to think of it, it was quite hard to stop Son Gohan from moving after he became a Super Saiyan…And even that might not have been his full power…”
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Jeice noted they were both above 10,000. If Gohan had reached 15,000, why wouldn't Jeice be a bit more specific?
Didn't Recoome virtually tank this?
Krillin should probably be higher than this. He held his own just like Gohan. Is there some reason people tend to make Krillin just slightly above Ginyuku instead of on par with Gohan, other than a zenkai for Gohan?
Tenshinhan only had about 5 months on Krillin (due to Krillin being dead) to train. How did he manage to make such gigantic gains in spite of this? Or, how did Krillin manage to not gain much power at all?
That looks like a somewhat small gain. His organic power ends up being about 90% of his mechanical power. Shouldn't the gap be a bit bigger?
I wouldn't make Piccolo 90% of the Super Saiyans. That's hardly enough to consider him a rival, let alone in a different tier.
Vegeta being only 65% of Goku's power seems a bit unnecessary.
Vegeta wasn't stronger than a Cell Jr.
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| Sjk8 | Jun 28 2013, 10:11 AM Post #17 |
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Well, Androids saga Yamcha could solo everything/everyone from at least 1sr form Frieza to Raditz with absolute ease. Shocked also by this one? Edited by Sjk8, Jun 28 2013, 09:21 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Jun 28 2013, 11:35 AM Post #18 |
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Glanced over it, and it looks good. @Coolest You don't have to be so disrespectful. For what it's worth, I think most agree that Yajirobe has a pretty big potential, so him being above what Goku was @ Raditz is not impossible. It's not even unreasonable to put him twice as strong. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jun 28 2013, 05:40 PM Post #19 |
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Alright, I'll concede the Pui Pui/Kaioshin stuff and I'll change it. With my numbers Kibitoshin (who I actually forgot) would be super haxed anyway.He's got super durability, so an attack of that level shouldn't be a problem, he did suffer some cosmetic damage too. It looked like it hurt him at least a little bit. I decreased to 36.000. Should he be weaker or stronger? I'm probably reading it wrong, the first part suggests that he should be a closer rival, while the second part says he should be in a different tier. 90% should be a 'distant rival,' which I see as an acceptable level for Piccolo. Well, yeah Gohan got a zenkai, while Krillin just had more of his power unlocked or whatever. I suppose he could be a bit stronger, but Gohan should have a sizeable advantage due to a zenkai. Krillin is now at 24.500 . I thought is was more like a year or something, but if it was only 5 months then he should be weaker. I was also not trying to look like a Krillin fanboy. He's 800.000 now Why not? Would you expect Jeice to instead say this? "one of them is above 10,000, while the other is closer to 20,000" I don't see a problem with Gohan's placement, especially since 15,000 is not actually any closer to 20,000 than it is to 10,000. Or maybe his power level is 14.900 and I'm just rounding it off. It is now that one the list. Probably should have, I guess he would have to be strong to beat Namek Goku with relative ease. 225.000.000 now. You're right. 7.700.000.000 now. I kinda thought that too. He is now 75% It would have to be a pretty big gap considering it took Goku 7 years of afterlife training just become a little bit stronger than him. As for SSJ grade 2, I keep it low because if it's too high, then there's no justifiable reason for Goku to not use it. What's the problem with that number? It's only a little higher than his Cell Games/Android number and he's still weaker than Krillin. If it's his survival feat, may I remind you that Kaioshin survived an attack from Buff Boo (off panel). Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jun 28 2013, 05:55 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 28 2013, 08:42 PM Post #20 |
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Weaker. He held Trunks above him, and Kami separated the Super Saiyans and him as well. Sizable gap, I'd say.
Well, Krillin was killed on Christmas Eve Age 762 and then was revived on May 3 the following year (130 days according to the manga as that's how long it takes the Namekian Dragon Balls to recharge). Tenshinhan was revived September 10 of the same year, again 130 days later, which is less than five months. That's about how long Tenshinhan had to train while Krillin was stuck without a body. Before that, while Ten was actually training, Krillin had his potential unlocked by Guru and was battling constantly on Namek, which no doubt raised his strength as well.
Chapter: 274 (DBZ 80), P8.4 Jheese: “This is unexpected. Those little squirts' battle powers surpassed 10,000." Just seems that he'd be more specific to me, but ah well.
Nothing. I was laughing to myself because someone actually kept with Krillin > Tenshinhan, which I agree with. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jun 28 2013, 10:08 PM Post #21 |
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What are exactly are you trying to say? That if Gohan had been closer 15,000 that Jeice would have said '15,000' instead or 'close to 20,000'? I think 14,900 is fine because well it is below 15,000 (albeit not noticeably) and then there's Krillin who's 13,000 and he's lumping the two of them together. I just don't see much of an issue. Besides, Krillin was able to knock Recoome on his a*** with a good sneak attack, I'd say that would merit a power of 13,000 at least, and then Gohan is said be considerably stronger than him (I don't agree with Daiz saying Gohan only has 1000 units on Krillin). |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 28 2013, 10:37 PM Post #22 |
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13,000 and 14,900 are closer to 15,000 than they are to 10,000. Wouldn't it have made more sense for Jeice to say, "Those squirts have a BP close to 15,000" instead of that they're simply over 10,000? As for Krillin's sneak attack, do sneak attacks count now? Wasn't Trunks' attack on Boo a sneak attack? |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jun 28 2013, 11:05 PM Post #23 |
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You're right about the sneak attack part, but I think the 10,000 comment can be intepreted differently. 15,000 is an in betweeny sort of number and don't believe a number like that has ever been used in power comments. Vegeta was close to 30,000 while Gohan/Krillin were above 10,000, it was never 'close to 15,000' 'above 25,000'. I just don't see anything objectively wrong about my numbers for them. Their official numbers are close to mine too. Those are some of the few official levels that aren't royally messed up. Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jun 28 2013, 11:06 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 29 2013, 01:45 AM Post #24 |
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Right from the get-go on Namek, Krillin and Gohan's powers were said by Zarbon to be "about 1,500." Dodoria described Vegeta's pre-Namek BP as "barely 18,000." Burter said Goku's suppressed power was "around 5,000." Ginyu claimed Goku's power (with the Kaio-ken) was "over 180,000." In between numbers can be used. But I'm just being nitpicky. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 30 2013, 12:48 AM Post #25 |
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Didn't read all of this so I might comment on something that's already been brought up; if so, apologies.This is 1.125x stronger than a Saibamen, slightly larger than Vegeta's advantage over KKx2 Goku which appeared to be a solid one. It couldn't hurt to lower Raditz down to at least 1300 or so. I don't think the 2nd one would be stronger than the 1st considering that when someone usually uses an attack for the second time, it's weaker due to the chi expended on the first one. This was either an anime-only or dub-only figure, anyways. 1. Raditz: “Ba…ba…battle power 1,307?! [ ] N... now his battle power is only 1.” Heehee. Yamcha didn't completely decimate the Saibaman, so a slightly lower figure would probably work better. This could probably be lowered a good chunk as Gohan's 2800 Masenko numbed his hand. Vegeta fought at a level lower than 18,000 but a bit higher than KKx2 Goku's power initially before powering up, so make note of that. Zarbon: “The reading is quite different from Vegeta’s. Their battle powers were both about 1,500.” You have 24k Vegeta's advantage over Zarbon almost equal to post-zenkai Vegeta's advantage over Monster Zarbon, even though the former was mostly a one-sided beatdown while Vegeta resorted to dirty tactics in the latter. I'd either lower post-zenkai Vegeta or handsome Zarbon (lowering handsome Zarbon would probably be easier since it widens the gap for a one-sided fight). I'm assuming Goku uses this level initially against Ginyu too? If so, it should either be raised a bit or Ginyu's should be lowered a bit since they were even until Ginyu powered up. Vegeta should be a bit lower, seeing as how even though the two of them clashed evenly, Vegeta was panting afterwards while Freeza remained nonchalant. Weighted Piccolo and powered up Freeza were almost perfectly even, the only thing even suggesting Piccolo's superiority was his deflection of Freeza's blast which Freeza was unable to do in return, and the fact that Freeza powered up further. Freeza's full power laid down a smackdown on Weighted Piccolo after that, so Weighted Piccolo should be significantly lower. Freeza's level where it says 4 mil (I'm assuming this is his level against Base Goku) should be a little higher; he seemed to hold the advantage in their fight and Goku had to take advantage of his lack of chi sensing. Whoooooaaaa duuuuuuude. Is this extra stuff from the Guru power-up? He wasn't sure of his chances against Namek Goku; even if considering that he can sense chi, 1.125x seems like a bit much. Maybe just 10% would work better? I believe Goku should be higher, outside of rivaling range with Trunks imo, since he gave Trunks a little hope after Trunks saw his strength. Piccolo's advantage would be barely 9% with this. Do you believe this can cover for his complete domination? This isn't solid of course, but I believe the Light Grenade's amplification should surpass 2.22x, as Piccolo considered Imperfect Cell's Kamehameha low-level (and it was stolen from Saiyan saga Goku). This gap is almost 1.5x, even though 19, who could budge Vegeta, is around 1.65x weaker. I know not everyone makes a big deal out of these things, but I kinda do. Also, 2nd form Cell powers up against Vegeta, so make note of that. Cell's punch had little effect, just like Vegeta/19, so his advantage should be bigger imo. The tank here was as impressive as Semi Cell's on 16, so this gap should be bigger too imo. I think the gap here could be closer since Cell did budge Gohan with his punch. I don't feel like looking at the Boo arc
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| IllogicalGlory | Jun 30 2013, 03:32 AM Post #26 |
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Yeah, oops. For some reason I was trying to get his stomping level against base Gero instead of powered up Gero, so I'll have to work that out again. He should be a little above Gohan right? 1,550 is about 1,500 IMO. He'd lump the two of them together because Gohan is exactly 1,500 and Krillin is basically equal. Besides, it makes little difference. I forgot to add his power against Ginyu. Yeah, that's too high, I was trying to make him closer to Gohan, since Gohan probably didn't train much while Krillin most likely did, but that number is too high for just 1 year of training. Vegeta had to take an attack from Freeza while the Freeza did not deflect an attack from Vegeta, I guess Vegeta could be a bit lower than I have him. I'll fix that stuff. Damn it, I forgot about that kick :@. I guess my problem here is that don't actually look at the fights for reference, since I don't remember Gohan ever getting punched, just like I forgot about Vegeta's kick. Why not? ![]() |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 1 2013, 12:02 AM Post #27 |
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Ah, I forgot about that stuff. I think it can go either way; the way he only says that Gohan is stronger than Goku but not himself could imply that he's the superior of the two, or simply that he doesn't want to admit that a kid's stronger than him. Though if I recall correctly, Raditz lost power from that hit and he grasped his stomach staggering and all, so having Raditz lower shouldn't be a problem. I guess I'll leave that alone, though. The Boo arc's got too many controversial things to pick at, like Piccolo/Base Saiyans/Kaios***s/Pui Pui/Saiyan kids/18/Gotenks/Dabura and the like. Not sure if our opinions match on those or not but I just don't feel like talking about Boo arc stuff, it's already really recurring stuff on this board anyway. Edited by Kyouks, Jul 1 2013, 12:05 AM.
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| supermajini | Jul 2 2013, 01:17 AM Post #28 |
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I agree with most of them but I doubt Babidi is a 3. Yes, he's a weakling but it took Piccolo a considerable enough amount of effort to break through his barrier. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jul 2 2013, 01:32 AM Post #29 |
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Eh, that was his magic, his physical power is totally meaningless; his magic is slightly less meaningless. |
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| supermajini | Jul 2 2013, 02:20 AM Post #30 |
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But magic is part of his kai. All energy is part of kai in the DBZ universe. |
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I know not everyone makes a big deal out of these things, but I kinda do. Also, 2nd form Cell powers up against Vegeta, so make note of that.


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