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| + Clearin | Jun 28 2013, 12:24 PM Post #16 |
 
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In a hypothetical situation where 18's eye colour as never shown and Daiz said they were blue I still wouldn't take it as fact. After all, where did they get that information? They just made it up without any kind of evidence. Of course there is still the chance they could be blue, as in this hypothetical situation her eye colour was never shown, but it doesn't change the fact they just made it up. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 28 2013, 02:30 PM Post #17 |
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Some things can be considered semi-canon, even if they're not in the manga. For example, some character designs can be considered canon, even if the characters themselves are not. There's several art pics drawn by Toriyama in Daiz 1 that show 18's eyes. I'm fairly certain that they are blue. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 28 2013, 02:34 PM.
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| Andro | Jun 28 2013, 03:59 PM Post #18 |
 
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Here are the illustrations in which Toriyama draws the androids' eyes: They are giving the finger in this one, just a warning: Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle (open this one in a new tab to enlarge it, so you can see their eyes better) So you see? We don't need any explanation about their eye color. Besides, the androids where made from real humans correct? So, their eye color must be a real life one. And which eye color is the lightest? Yes, blue. . . Edited by Andro, Jun 28 2013, 04:02 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jun 28 2013, 05:30 PM Post #19 |
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The point wasn't about whether or not her eyes were blue, but in a hypothetical situation where her eye colour was never revealed and yet the Daiz said they were blue, how canon would it be? Like I've already said I personally wouldn't take it seriously because it's just their own personal guess, only Toriyama can truly answer a question like that 100% accurately. |
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Jun 28 2013, 06:07 PM Post #20 |
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That's stuff I think I would accept. Power related issues are really murky, but stuff like eye color and all of that stuff is a good time to use the guidebook. |
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| EMIYA | Jun 28 2013, 06:48 PM Post #21 |
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With things like the eye color and stuff, technically its non-canon, but at the same times its not like its going to effect anything. It's one of those little added tidbits that whether it's true or not, won't have any lasting effect on the series as a whole. They could say that Yamucha's favorite color is orange, has no effect whatsoever on the story, so whether its true or not really has no importance. |
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| Andro | Jun 28 2013, 07:44 PM Post #22 |
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Why would it be their guess, man? There IS canon proof, like the pictures I posted. Plus, as I said, the androids came from human bodies correct? So a human body can't have red or yellow colored eyes. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 28 2013, 07:46 PM Post #23 |
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Are you even listening to the part where I say "In the hypothetical situation that Android 18's eyes were never shown"? OFG wasn't trying to say there is no proof, he was simply making a hypothetical situation which I used for my answer. |
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| Andro | Jun 28 2013, 07:58 PM Post #24 |
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Yes, but for this hypothetical question there are answers that Daizenshuu have more knowledge over anyone else. Plus, it's stated wherever the Daizenshuu crew had specific questions about the story they contacted Toriyama. Also, there are times where little questions like color or simple facts weren't payed attention even in the manga, so they make up their own facts that seem more logical, with low importance. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 28 2013, 08:20 PM Post #25 |
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It's not about importance, it's about the fact that Toriyama never told them she has blue eyes in this situation. We can use something that isn't a hypothetical situation and has a higher importance such as power levels. Where did they get those PLs from? If Toriyama didn't tell them then they've just gone and made up some numbers and acted like they were facts which is what they do for pretty much everything they publish. |
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| Sam | Jun 28 2013, 08:23 PM Post #26 |
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I generally disregard the quotes about Super Saiyan 2 Dabra vs. Gohan and any other blatant errors in the Daizenshuu. Otherwise, a lot of it is open for interpretation or just legitimately solid information. I also don't really put much stock into the "Tenshinhan fought #19" thing, since you're right, #17 was #19 to them at the time. It also simply could have been referring to the fact that Tenshinhan was there with a few others when Goku (and then Vegeta obviously) went up against Android no. 19. |
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| Andro | Jun 28 2013, 08:27 PM Post #27 |
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Power levels, ey? Well, PL's aren't that important, really according to the manga. But why wonder about the power levels they put (hypothetically) when they haven't got any proof? You haven't got any proof either, no one has. So what do you expect them to do? They can't just leave it blank, they have to preview something. And that something isn't random at all. It's mostly questioned, examined and then published. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 28 2013, 08:29 PM Post #28 |
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I don't have any proof and thus I don't act like there's any definite answer. They actually published these numbers like they were facts, that's the problem. People are willing to accept stuff in the Daiz as if it's canon despite the fact almost everything in there that isn't taken from the Manga is just made up by these guys. If someone came on this forum and started spewing a bunch of random stuff no one would pay any attention, but if you manage to publish your made up stuff in a book suddenly it becomes useable in debates... |
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| Sam | Jun 28 2013, 08:31 PM Post #29 |
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I agree with you Clearin. People take the Daizenshuu as gospel when it is subject to the exact same errors that have been in other Dragonball media. The problem is sifting through these errors and finding the accurate information. In this way, the Daizenshuu is a source of controversy and only helps to muddy the waters further. While I think it is an excellent source of information and one of the most important sources of Dragonball facts, it has its own mistakes too. It's not perfect. |
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| Andro | Jun 29 2013, 10:01 AM Post #30 |
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Yes, but it's according to their own view. It is wrong, but they are, most likely, closer to the correct answers than any of we fans are. Think about it, not even Toriyama knows about the power levels. They aren't stated in the manga and thus this lack of evidence drives them to seek the correct answers through examining and questioning. I don't blame 'em, or question them. If a fan really does disagree with their numbers he can do it freely. Bird Studio isn't stopping them. It isn't wrong if a fan makes up his own numbers. You can't say one is right and one other is wrong, as you can't say one is wrong and the other is right. It is completely fictional after all, so there will never be steady facts, especially with Power Levels. |
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