Can we Pinpoint just how much stronger were the Present Androids from the Future Ones ?

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Can we Pinpoint just how much stronger were the Present Androids from the Future Ones ?
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~~Professor Freeza~~	Jun 26 2013, 05:09 PM Post #1
Posts: 506 Group: Suspended Member #9,627 Joined: June 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	An accurate number or a gap .... can we get it ?



+ Emmeth	Jun 26 2013, 05:39 PM Post #2
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Taking into account what I've read and seen in animes, I'd say about: x1.5-1.8 = Cannot see your movements, and smacks you down like a rag doll (Examples: Piccolo Junior VS First Suppression Form Freezer, Ultimate Gohan VS Base Super Boo) Trunks' quote alone says it all, if we consider they were both in suppressed form during their respective fights with F. Gohan and Vegeta.
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~~Coolest~~	Jun 26 2013, 05:49 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Jeez man, you are ALL about the numbers aren't you? Can I sincerely ask you something? Why does it matter? Why does everything have to have a number associated with it? Do you realize that Toriyama didn't intend it to be that way, and he doesn't think of it like that? I just can't relate why it's so serious and mathematical when it's not to begin with. Akira didn't write the manga with a calculator at his side rofl.. As far as your query, no, we can't. It's never stated how much stronger they are. Edited by Coolest, Jun 26 2013, 05:49 PM.



+ Emmeth	Jun 26 2013, 05:50 PM Post #4
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	@Coolest Do you HAVE to read these topics, much less comment?
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~~Coolest~~	Jun 26 2013, 05:52 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Hey, at least I commented on his question this time! I'm sorry, but there just are NOT numbers for everything lol..



+ Emmeth	Jun 26 2013, 05:54 PM Post #6
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	We can discuss, can't we? Even if there isn't a number, we can estimate.
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~~Coolest~~	Jun 26 2013, 05:58 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	OP stated an "accurate" number, so no, you can't get that. Accuracy is based on fact; since there is no fact, you have no accuracy.



+ Emmeth	Jun 26 2013, 06:03 PM Post #8
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Fine, have it your way
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~~Coolest~~	Jun 26 2013, 06:09 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Lol, don't let me spoil it for you. You can debate about hypothetical numbers all you want. I was just making a comment on the way out.



* Yu Narukami	Jun 26 2013, 07:44 PM Post #10
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Well, without numbers, all we can make is vague, indirect inferences. With numbers, we can get into specifics.



EMIYA	Jun 26 2013, 08:21 PM Post #11
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Future Cyborgs were stated to be stronger than SSJ Trunks, for sake of argument, nothing short of about 1.2x, though that would honestly fit more for the Trunks after 3 years of training. Souchirou states that Piccolo lost over half his genius power when he split form Kami, we assume by fusing together, he would be twice as strong. Therefore the future cyborgs fit between the level of SSJ Future Trunks and in between Kamiccolo for starters. Now then Future Trunks says that he can at least hold his own against the cyborgs after 3 years and we can say that SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Goku>SSJ Trunks. In my personal opinon, I"d put them stronger than Trunks, weaker than Vegeta and at least rivaling Goku in some way. So take that, take the whole 2x Piccolo comment, take Present No. 18's stance against Vegeta, Piccolo's Pre-Kami comparison to Vegeta, etc, etc, etc and you'll get something close. Obvoiusly we can't get an actual number, but we can actually come pretty close to getting a gap distinction between them.



+ miguelnuva	Jun 26 2013, 09:05 PM Post #12
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Trunks didn't train for 3 year he trained for 8 months Brofist.
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EMIYA	Jun 26 2013, 09:32 PM Post #13
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Where do you get that he only trained for 8 months?



~~Coolest~~	Jun 26 2013, 09:45 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	It takes 8 months for the time machine to charge, which is why I think that was the general consensus. Trunks thought the androids would be a lot weaker than they were, since his future androids were much less weaker. So I don't think he trained for 3 years.



+ miguelnuva	Jun 26 2013, 10:06 PM Post #15
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Brofist Jun 26 2013, 09:32 PM Where do you get that he only trained for 8 months? 1. 8 months for time machine to charge 2. Trunks does not look 3 years older at all, half saiyans age unlike full saiyans. 3. I believe it was stated Trunks is 16-17 in the Trunks saga and 17-18 in the Android saga. 4. Trunks says as soon as his time machine was charged up he would return and help. 5. Just because 3 years passed for Goku and the others doesn't mean 3 passed for Trunks.
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