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My Saiyans Comparison List : Cell and Buu Arc
Topic Started: Jun 24 2013, 01:07 PM (1,587 Views)
Zenet Jun 25 2013, 05:18 PM Post #16
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 05:15 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 05:11 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 04:59 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM
Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
I'm not saying anything about what I think the gap is. I'm saying that there's no need for 1.67x to be the minimum gap. We know Goku's much stronger than Vegeta. We know Vegeta's stronger than 50% Goku. That's it. He could be 60 or he could be 75, both of which fulfill the conditions given, but 60 isn't the minimum.

@zenet: Your power isn't almost the same when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided beating. Not sure how many times we've been through this but it's unbelievable, to put it bluntly. Goku has it handed to him and struggles to properly land a hit, and Vegeta later describes Cell as having been one or two steps ahead of Goku. No matter how you slice it, they aren't close in power.
One side beating? Cell needed a senzu after the fight he got a beating himself.
He was blasted in half by a Kamehameha and regenerated. Before that, nothing.
Are you sure you know what happens in the Cell Games?
Ill quickly read it again and respond
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 05:18 PM Post #17
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 I should add that Cell didn't "need" a Senzu. He initially intended to let Goku have one and continue fighting the way he was.
Zenet, no offense, but you should at least make yourself aware of the sequence of events before debating about it. I'll wait for you.
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Alex D. Boss Jun 25 2013, 05:21 PM Post #18
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 There is no single way putting Goku and Cell almost equal.
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 05:23 PM Post #19
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 He was probably thinking of the anime (zenet), the fight's closer there I believe.
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Professor Freeza Jun 25 2013, 05:29 PM Post #20
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 So , Kyuoka , your argument is that Vegeta could be at 75 . Right ? My question is that , he never stated [or thought] that he greatly outclassed Kakarot's [50%] power . if he was to be 75% that of Goku , he would be even more confident and would have thought ha has "outclassed" goku . A 1.5x gap is a huge one , mate . But 1.33x shouldnt be that big [i actually dont want to consider 1.2x to be a stomping gap . We just saw one or two examples , not more] of a gap then , for Vegeta to say that 100% Goku is much stronger than vegeta
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Zenet Jun 25 2013, 05:47 PM Post #21
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Jun 25 2013, 05:18 PM
I should add that Cell didn't "need" a Senzu. He initially intended to let Goku have one and continue fighting the way he was.
Zenet, no offense, but you should at least make yourself aware of the sequence of events before debating about it. I'll wait for you.
Cell was stronger and it showed though the gap wasn't massive the gap was comparable to Freeza vs SSJ Goku. In my opinion maybe a bit less than that.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c399/12
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+ Emmeth Jun 25 2013, 05:52 PM Post #22
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 Remember that they were warming up first. After that, both stepped up their game, and Cell just stepped it up a bit further.
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Sam Jun 25 2013, 06:11 PM Post #23
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 Other than the size of some of your gaps, I agree. Though, Kyouka has a solid point.
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 07:24 PM Post #24
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Jun 25 2013, 05:29 PM
So , Kyuoka , your argument is that Vegeta could be at 75 . Right ? My question is that , he never stated [or thought] that he greatly outclassed Kakarot's [50%] power . if he was to be 75% that of Goku , he would be even more confident and would have thought ha has "outclassed" goku . A 1.5x gap is a huge one , mate . But 1.33x shouldnt be that big [i actually dont want to consider 1.2x to be a stomping gap . We just saw one or two examples , not more] of a gap then , for Vegeta to say that 100% Goku is much stronger than vegeta
He had to have thought he greatly outclasses Goku because he intended to beat Cell, whom Goku thought was stronger than him. Vegeta also thought that Goku had more power, as implied when he said something like "Show me your strength/power" before Goku fought Cell, so if anything a greater advantage in his favor would make more sense in this case.

By the way, if 1.5x is a "huge gap" as you say, then there's really no need for 1.67x to be the "minimum" for another huge gap. While it does work, so can 1.3x.

Cenet
Jun 25 2013, 05:47 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 05:18 PM
I should add that Cell didn't "need" a Senzu. He initially intended to let Goku have one and continue fighting the way he was.
Zenet, no offense, but you should at least make yourself aware of the sequence of events before debating about it. I'll wait for you.
Cell was stronger and it showed though the gap wasn't massive the gap was comparable to Freeza vs SSJ Goku. In my opinion maybe a bit less than that.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c399/12
Look at the page before that. Cell allows Goku to get those hits in, and if you look at the page afterwards, they had little effect. Those freebies aren't conclusive of anything other than the fact that Cell can take Goku's hits without too much trouble. Once Cell goes on the offensive, Goku can't do anything. It's very different from the Goku/Freeza fight, which was nearly even until Freeza began to lose stamina.
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Jun 25 2013, 05:52 PM
both stepped up their game, and Cell just stepped it up a bit further.
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Professor Freeza Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM Post #25
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 So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
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Vertical Jun 26 2013, 07:20 AM Post #26
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Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM
So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
Perfect is a very strong word. With the limited information revealed and reviewed, it would be more accurate to say that your list conforms to your personal beliefs and does not contradict the manga... which is all that is required of any list... and the only obtainable accuracy to begin with.
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Professor Freeza Jun 26 2013, 07:38 AM Post #27
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Vertical
Jun 26 2013, 07:20 AM
Professor Freeza
Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM
So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
Perfect is a very strong word. With the limited information revealed and reviewed, it would be more accurate to say that your list conforms to your personal beliefs and does not contradict the manga... which is all that is required of any list... and the only obtainable accuracy to begin with.
Well then , i would have to change that word to "Accurate" .
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Vertical Jun 26 2013, 07:56 AM Post #28
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Jun 26 2013, 07:38 AM
Vertical
Jun 26 2013, 07:20 AM
Professor Freeza
Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM
So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
Perfect is a very strong word. With the limited information revealed and reviewed, it would be more accurate to say that your list conforms to your personal beliefs and does not contradict the manga... which is all that is required of any list... and the only obtainable accuracy to begin with.
Well then , i would have to change that word to "Accurate" .
But it can't be simply "accurate" either... though it can be considered "accurate within the conditions set", with those conditions being that:

1) It does not contradict the manga
2) It conforms to your own personal beliefs

I guess your question shouldn't be "Is my list perfect?" and should be more like "Does my list contradict anything implied within the manga?"
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Professor Freeza Jun 26 2013, 07:59 AM Post #29
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Vertical
Jun 26 2013, 07:56 AM
Professor Freeza
Jun 26 2013, 07:38 AM
Vertical
Jun 26 2013, 07:20 AM
Professor Freeza
Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM
So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
Perfect is a very strong word. With the limited information revealed and reviewed, it would be more accurate to say that your list conforms to your personal beliefs and does not contradict the manga... which is all that is required of any list... and the only obtainable accuracy to begin with.
Well then , i would have to change that word to "Accurate" .
But it can't be simply "accurate" either... though it can be considered "accurate within the conditions set", with those conditions being that:

1) It does not contradict the manga
2) It conforms to your own personal beliefs

I guess your question shouldn't be "Is my list perfect?" and should be more like "Does my list contradict anything implied within the manga?"
Thats okay , vertical .

BTW , i updated the list
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+ Kyouks Jun 27 2013, 02:43 AM Post #30
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Jun 26 2013, 06:14 AM
So , i just need to place Vegeta at 75 and my list is pretty much Perfect ?
You're not getting it. He can be at 60, but a 1.67x gap isn't the "minimum." While I agree that 75 works better than 60, either is fine. Neither are contradictory to the manga so if you feel more strongly about 60 for some reason, go for it. I was only correcting the notion of it being the minimum. I'm not going to tell you to keep it at 75 or change it back to 60 or anything, I was just wanted to make my point clear.

By the way, you might want to fix that part of the OP:
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SSj CG Vegeta = 75
Why only 60% ? Because Vegeta said that Goku was much more stronger than him . And this makes Goku about 1.33x Stronger than vegeta . Quite a big gap , where we have seen 1.2x to be a stomping gap previously.
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