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Tien non human
Topic Started: Jun 21 2013, 10:29 PM (2,801 Views)
SSJ Jun 22 2013, 05:51 PM Post #16
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 Goku was considered a human in DB despite having inhuman characteristics. Sometimes the Daiz is not the best source of information, which I think applies to this. Toriyama wrote DB as a gag manga with dinosaurs, talking animals, a monkey human, etc. seeing a human with an extra eye fits right into this style of manga.

Tien is a human.
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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 06:11 PM Post #17
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At DP Troll Posted Image:Stop to talking to me like a arrogant troll when my post's mean no harm what so ever.

You haven't been around long enough obviously if you think I'm giving you special treatment.
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It is the same Daizenshuu that says he has alien ancestry so what's your point?

The point is that despite the book saying he has alien ancestry, it considers him an Earthling like Krillin and the others. Read my posts a little better.
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You latter say Daizenshu has nothing to do with Arkia Toriyama? when it Is his staff who puts down the info which makes it his own info, this is pretty much common sense.

You simply don't get it and it shows. Let me rephrase what I said in simpler sentences so you can understand.

I didn't say the books had nothing to do with Toriyama. OK? Good. I said this specific idea obviously isn't his because Toriyama doesn't think Ten is an alien. OK? Good. Put it together now.

"Toriyama doesn't think Ten is an alien" + "Daizenshuu entry says he's an alien" = "Toriyama couldn't have personally given that specific bit of information because it would completely contradict what he thinks"

Make sense now?
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Which you like to ignore allot when it suits you.

That's rich considering who you are.
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If you didn't notice yet Asia doesn't exist in the Dragonabll world. The mentioning of Asia was used as a reference from were he got the idea from and there is no mention of a tribe whatsoever.

You just shot yourself in the foot by admitting that there is no mention of some alien tribe. Toriyama does not think of that in regards to Tenshinhan. He thinks of Ten as a human with a third eye.
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Like what "Itachi" said Tien is considered an earthling. Though who happens to have ancient alien ancestry that was never mentioned. The same way Kami or Piccolo were earthlings before the mentioning of Namek.

You're glossing over the fact that Toriyama admitted in interviews that he didn't think at conception that Piccolo was a Namek and Goku was a Saiyan, respectively. He never did this with Tenshinhan, and it remains that he thinks of him as a human.
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Mihawk Jun 22 2013, 06:12 PM Post #18
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 @seige. Just so you know, the word used by Yamcha was "Earthling". He said Krillin is the strongest among those who can only be called "Earthling".

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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 06:17 PM Post #19
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Jun 22 2013, 06:12 PM
@seige. Just so you know, the word used by Yamcha was "Earthling". He said Krillin is the strongest among those who can only be called "Earthling".
Which, while "Earthling" can be used to refer to Goku and the others, is usually not since Saiyan or Namekian is more appropriate for them.
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Mihawk Jun 22 2013, 06:20 PM Post #20
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 Right. In DBZ the only double role call was for Gohan I believe, since the Kai called him an Earthling. In the Daiz it says he can be called both. DB is a whole different story since the characters themselves had no idea of their origins, and it was literally impossible to call them by their proper terminology (Saiyan, Namekian).

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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 06:50 PM Post #21
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 Mhm.

In review, the evidence for Tenshinhan not being a human is shaky at best. It's contradicted by the same Daizenshuu it's printed in and by the thoughts of the author of the series.

Toriyama drew inspiration from Journey to the West, and Ten is based off of Erlang Shen (three eyes included), who was also sent to be an adversary of the main character. The whole Three-Eyed thing is in reference to Osamu Tezuka's 1974 manga The Three-eyed One, where there's a guy named Sharaku who's a descendant of a human tribe of three-eyed people.
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Mihawk Jun 22 2013, 06:58 PM Post #22
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 Doesn't really matter though since no one seems to disagree he's an earthling. He's most definitely a human too but I don't see what coming to that conclusion will change.

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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 07:14 PM Post #23
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Jun 22 2013, 06:58 PM
Doesn't really matter though since no one seems to disagree he's an earthling. He's most definitely a human too but I don't see what coming to that conclusion will change.
It helps people come to terms with Krillin being the strongest human despite not training after Cell, or just being stronger than Ten at any point.

I think the problem they face is wondering how Ten couldn't surpass Krillin when he's always training while Krillin isn't, but the simplest answer there is that Ten's training gains were just minimal at best by that point. The guy was 41 at the start of the Boo arc (in contrast to Krillin who was 38 or Goku who was 37 [physically 30]), and only had Chaozu as a training partner, who was undoubtedly weaker than a bag of rocks compared to him. He even opted not to go into the Room of Spirit and Time when he had the perfect opportunity to do so because he figured he would never be able to reach a higher power like Cell's ("absolutely not an opponent I could fight" were his exact words). Not to mention training gains are completely up to Toriyama's discretion, so since Ten was more or less irrelevant at that point, there was no need to place any importance on his gains, so big gains would be unnecessary to fathom.

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+ Clearin Jun 22 2013, 07:27 PM Post #24
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 I just chalk Krillin > Tien in the Buu saga up to Krillin's massive power unlock in the Freeza saga which shot him ahead of Tien by a mile.
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Zenet Jun 22 2013, 07:34 PM Post #25
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That could be the case. In my opinion I think there's the chance of Krillin surpassing Tien when getting ready for the Budokai most likely training with 18. In my opinion the earthlings were always around each other's strength.
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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 07:48 PM Post #26
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 It was a month. That's hardly enough time, especially when it comes to Yamcha's statement.
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+ Emmeth Jun 22 2013, 07:56 PM Post #27
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 Yamcha didn't know the extent of Krillin's training, and still said he was the strongest human.
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Zenet Jun 22 2013, 07:58 PM Post #28
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Using Piccolo training with SSJ Goku as an example
Krillin Sparring with someone much stronger than himself could have given him exponential gains more than Tenshinhan 7 year heavy clothing training.

EDIT: Probably Yamcha never saw Tenshinhan after Cell. Krillin possibly being the strongest at that time Yamcha went with that.
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+ Pyrus Jun 22 2013, 08:08 PM Post #29
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Jun 22 2013, 07:58 PM
Using Piccolo training with SSJ Goku as an example
Krillin Sparring with someone much stronger than himself could have given him exponential gains more than Tenshinhan 7 year heavy clothing training.

But you realize it wasn't even a full month of training, right? Piccolo had 3 years.
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Zenet Jun 22 2013, 08:10 PM Post #30
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seige
Jun 22 2013, 07:58 PM
Using Piccolo training with SSJ Goku as an example
Krillin Sparring with someone much stronger than himself could have given him exponential gains more than Tenshinhan 7 year heavy clothing training.

But you realize it wasn't even a full month of training, right? Piccolo had 3 years.
It depends how much gains you think Tien got from his training for Krillin to catch up?

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