Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption

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Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption
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+ Emmeth	Jun 23 2013, 02:30 PM Post #76
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	My theory is that Piccolo make gains for two people. Him and Nail.
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+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:30 PM Post #77
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:28 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:25 PM Brofist Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM I've already repeated myself and given plenty of reasons why No. 19 and No. 20>Freeza. Now tell me, what are all the statements, feats, implications that definitely put them below Freeza, cause I've given the ones that put them above Freeza. First answer some questions 1 The difference between ssj goku and ssj vegeta android arc 2 The explanation of piccolo's gain ...from 1.2mil to equal to android arc ssj level /more than 200 gain/ 3 Trunks max strenght compared to Mecha frieza strength NOTE: Goku mentioned he barely trained on yadrat whilst trunks cant even cut gokus finger...we all know that both trunks and frieza was suppressed but it does not mean that if they powered to max the difference would be tha same cuz what if frieza's suppression was bigger like I mentioned pages ago... 1) There's a gap, that's for sure. If Goku was 10 I'd have Vegeta at 12. 2) We could apply the "LOL HE COULDNT BECOME SO STRONG" to soooo many moments in the manga it's not even funny. He trained with Goku, though, and it's heavily implied that he was a decent sparring partner for him. 3) Trunks roflolstomped Mecha Frieza, so the gap's quite wide. 1.2 gap could do the same Now another question Was goku sick at the beginning of the fight between him and 19 or just after ...I mean shall we say it was sick goku vs 19 during all of the fight ...Or in the beginning goku was at full power... Edited by Pointer*, Jun 23 2013, 02:31 PM.



+ Emmeth	Jun 23 2013, 02:32 PM Post #78
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:30 PM Was goku sick at the beginning of the fight between him and 19 or just after ...I mean shall we say it was sick goku vs 19 during all of the fight ...Or in the beginning goku was at full power... He was definitely getting sick before the fight. Piccolo noticed the panting, so did Tenshinhan.
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* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:32 PM Post #79
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Goku was sick before, according to Tien he had already lost stamina by just flying to the battlefield.



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:34 PM Post #80
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:32 PM Goku was sick before, according to Tien he had already lost stamina by just flying to the battlefield. So a sick goku could fight almost equal to pre absorbtion 19 .... Now the question is Mecha frieza full power vs Sick goku/the battle conditions are the same /



* Yu Narukami	Jun 23 2013, 02:34 PM Post #81
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:30 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:28 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:25 PM Brofist Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM I've already repeated myself and given plenty of reasons why No. 19 and No. 20>Freeza. Now tell me, what are all the statements, feats, implications that definitely put them below Freeza, cause I've given the ones that put them above Freeza. First answer some questions 1 The difference between ssj goku and ssj vegeta android arc 2 The explanation of piccolo's gain ...from 1.2mil to equal to android arc ssj level /more than *200 gain/ 3 Trunks max strenght compared to Mecha frieza strength NOTE: Goku mentioned he barely trained on yadrat whilst trunks cant even cut gokus finger...we all know that both trunks and frieza was suppressed but it does not mean that if they powered to max the difference would be tha same cuz what if frieza's suppression was bigger like I mentioned pages ago... 1) There's a gap, that's for sure. If Goku was 10 I'd have Vegeta at 12. 2) We could apply the "LOL HE COULDNT BECOME SO STRONG" to soooo many moments in the manga it's not even funny. He trained with Goku, though, and it's heavily implied that he was a decent sparring partner for him. 3) Trunks roflolstomped Mecha Frieza, so the gap's quite wide. 1.2 gap could do the same Now another question Was goku sick at the beginning of the fight between him and 19 or just after ...I mean shall we say it was sick goku vs 19 during all of the fight ...Or in the beginning goku was at full power... Yare yare, Abyss-kun. It doesn't even matter. Sick SSJ Goku has a massive lead on Trunks Saga SSJ Goku. SSJ Goku (Healthy) > SSJ Goku (Sick) > SSJ Goku (Post-Yardrat) I'll link you to a topic in a sec that sorts the Piccolo issue nicely.



EMIYA	Jun 23 2013, 02:36 PM Post #82
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	1.) It's stated multiple times and through implications that SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Goku in the android arc. 2.)Training, what that has to do with anything here? 3.)Everyone, Goku including is impressed that that Trunks could "instantly" defeat Freeza. We know through statements that there isn't a large gap between Organic Freeza and Mecha Freeza, and they're really isn't even a big difference between Mecha Freeza and King Cold, who Trunks easily slaughtered. Goku doesn't treat Trunks as a guy who could give Freeza a good fight, he treats him as a guy would slaughter him and instantly defeat him. Goku has sense Trunks ki, call its incredible and treats it as if Trunks really could instantly defeat Freeza. Also I don't see a single statement regarding Goku not training on Yardrat, I don't even see a statement regarding yardrat. It wouldn't make senae if Goku>Trunks yet Goku has barely trained, yet Trunks curbstomps Freeza and Goku treats it as if he could easily curbstomp him.



Zenet	Jun 23 2013, 02:36 PM Post #83
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	My two cents on this Future Trunks says to the Z Fighters that the androids he knows in his time, while much stronger than him, are not nearly as strong as the ones released in the main timeline. He goes to say that the Future Androids were a problem for him because it was 2 on 1. They were probably suppressed when they fought Trunks and never went full out like they did against Gohan but Trunks wouldn't have known that. Gero and 19 being weaker than the suppressed Future Androids would put them around Future Trunks in my opinion after there absorptions putting there pre absorptions state below Trunks and probably even Mecha Frizea.



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:37 PM Post #84
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	if you could prove me that Sick goku is stronger than Yadrat goku ...I throw in the towel



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:38 PM Post #85
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:34 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:32 PM Goku was sick before, according to Tien he had already lost stamina by just flying to the battlefield. So a sick goku could fight almost equal to pre absorbtion 19 .... Now the question is Mecha frieza full power vs Sick goku/the battle conditions are the same / It's just speculation, but I think Goku would destroy Mecha Frieza. Tien felt Goku's ki before he fought #19 and said that that was the power of a Super Saiyan. The only Super Saiyan ki he felt was trunks, which means that goku at worst is ~ Trunks.



+ Emmeth	Jun 23 2013, 02:40 PM Post #86
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Tenshinhan felt both Trunks and Goku's SSJ powers during the Trunks visit. He was even more impressed with how Goku felt when he started fighting 19. Case closed.
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+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:42 PM Post #87
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:38 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:34 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:32 PM Goku was sick before, according to Tien he had already lost stamina by just flying to the battlefield. So a sick goku could fight almost equal to pre absorbtion 19 .... Now the question is Mecha frieza full power vs Sick goku/the battle conditions are the same / It's just speculation, but I think Goku would destroy Mecha Frieza. Tien felt Goku's ki before he fought #19 and said that that was the power of a Super Saiyan. The only Super Saiyan ki he felt was trunks, which means that goku at worst is ~ Trunks. so post 19>pre 19~sick goku >yadrat ssj goku>ssj trunks >mecha frieza>100 frieza> goku namek??? And the piccolo issue can be handled by assumin he gain as two namek would gain Okay I gave up You won Let this man congratulate you Edited by Pointer, Jun 23 2013, 02:43 PM.



Zenet	Jun 23 2013, 02:46 PM Post #88
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Was it said that Goku lost ki before he fought 19?



+ Emmeth	Jun 23 2013, 02:48 PM Post #89
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	It goes like this: - They land and are about to fight. - Tenshinhan notices Goku is panting from the flight from the island. - Goku starts fighting in SSJ. - Tenshinhan states he is impressed with Goku, and that they won't lose. - Piccolo says he's not so sure. <---- This is what can be assumed as "Goku has lost ki". - Goku beats 19 around, but loses stamina rapidly. No-one says anything about Goku losing ki, but you can safely assume it by just watching the fight. Edited by Emmeth, Jun 23 2013, 02:49 PM.
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EMIYA	Jun 23 2013, 02:53 PM Post #90
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	that honestly helps fit with Gero's calculation. Goku transforms and they get the reading from the sick Goku which indeed ends up not being that great, Goku manages to put up a bit more power as he fights and goes past the cyborgs expectations for a brief while.



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