Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption

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Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption
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* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 01:53 PM Post #61
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Trunks did expect 17&18 but who cares? He joined the fight when 19 was already dead and 20 was about to be killed too.



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 01:54 PM Post #62
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Quote: Trunks did expect 17&18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH



EMIYA	Jun 23 2013, 01:55 PM Post #63
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Abyss your taking it completely out of context here. Trunks told Goku two cyborgs with amazing power that would crush him and Freeza would arrive. That's what they think, that's what they expect, they train for three years expecting to fight opponents much stronger than Trunks and most definitely Freeza. That's all they know, no looks, no numbers, just reference of bloodshed and an agonizing future of despair unless they succeed. And they don't get two little 10 year old boys, they get cyborgs, cyborgs that are putting holes in their friends and decimating cities pretty much exactly like Trunks said they would. Everything is going pretty much like Trunks said, there is no reason whatsoever for Goku to come up and not use at least a good level above his Yardrat self if not outright full power at the time. And with statements given, No. 19 and definitely No. 20 end up being stronger than Freeza. The kind of gap between SSJ Time Skip Goku and Freeza is curbstomp worthy, there's is as I have stated a limit to miscalculation and nobody says that they're weaker than Freeza. Only that they aren't as bad as they originally thought or that they may just gotten too strong. You have a huge gap between this Goku and Mecha Freeza, to treat No. 19 weaker than Freeza to me is absurd. Quote: Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4 Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.” Quote: Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3 Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?... Nobody says these guys are weaker than Freeza. They say they're not as a bad as they were expecting. Edited by EMIYA, Jun 23 2013, 01:57 PM.



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 01:56 PM Post #64
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 01:54 PM Quote: Trunks did expect 17&18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH Problem is, this does not prove your point at all. Actually, it proves mine, but whatever. Mind explaining your logic?



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 01:59 PM Post #65
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 01:56 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 01:54 PM Quote: Trunks did expect 17&18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH Problem is, this does not prove your point at all. Actually, it proves mine, but whatever. Mind explaining your logic? You agreed that trunks expects 17 and 18 thus ....all of his comments about the two androids power are referring to 17 and 18 actual power not 19 and 20 .... and Brofist Frieza could do tha same with the Z warriors ..moreover he could probably blow Up the whole planet not just cities Edited by Pointer, Jun 23 2013, 01:59 PM.



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:03 PM Post #66
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	HIS comments were referring to 17&18. The Z warriors still thought that 19&20 were the androids that destroyed the future. They were NOT aware that 18&17 existed.



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:05 PM Post #67
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:03 PM HIS comments were referring to 17&18. The Z warriors still thought that 19&20 were the androids that destroyed the future. They were NOT aware that 18&17 existed. indeed .BUT it does not mean that 19 and 20 are as strong as they has been described by Trunks as "future's potential danger"



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:06 PM Post #68
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:05 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:03 PM HIS comments were referring to 17&18. The Z warriors still thought that 19&20 were the androids that destroyed the future. They were NOT aware that 18&17 existed. indeed .BUT it does not mean that 19 and 20 are as strong as they has been described by Trunks as "future's potential danger" They thought they weren't "so bad" but they still were strong enough to pose a threat to the Z fighters.



EMIYA	Jun 23 2013, 02:08 PM Post #69
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	They say the cyborgs weren't as bad as they had originally expected, they do not say they're weaker than Freeza.



+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:09 PM Post #70
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:06 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:05 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:03 PM HIS comments were referring to 17&18. The Z warriors still thought that 19&20 were the androids that destroyed the future. They were NOT aware that 18&17 existed. indeed .BUT it does not mean that 19 and 20 are as strong as they has been described by Trunks as "future's potential danger" They thought they weren't "so bad" but they still were strong enough to pose a threat to the Z fighters. Indeed ....But Piccolo and ssjs ..could simply one shot them .... Mecha frieza could do the same .../I mean still was strong enough to pose a threat to the Z fighters/yamcha tien krillin gohan / Quote: They say the cyborgs weren't as bad as they had originally expected, they do not say they're weaker than Freeza. They cant say it ....becasue they cant sense the ki of the cyborgs Edited by Pointer, Jun 23 2013, 02:12 PM.



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:13 PM Post #71
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:09 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:06 PM Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:05 PM Nichel Jun 23 2013, 02:03 PM HIS comments were referring to 17&18. The Z warriors still thought that 19&20 were the androids that destroyed the future. They were NOT aware that 18&17 existed. indeed .BUT it does not mean that 19 and 20 are as strong as they has been described by Trunks as "future's potential danger" They thought they weren't "so bad" but they still were strong enough to pose a threat to the Z fighters. Indeed ....But Piccolo and ssjs ..could simply one shot them .... Mecha frieza could do the same .../I mean still was strong enough to pose a threat to the Z fighters/yamcha tien krillin gohan / Quote: They say the cyborgs weren't as bad as they had originally expected, they do not say they're weaker than Freeza. They cant say it ....becasue they cant sense the ki of the cyborgs Both Piccolo and Vegeta totally oneshotted them! No, they didn't.



EMIYA	Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM Post #72
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I've already repeated myself and given plenty of reasons why No. 19 and No. 20>Freeza. Now tell me, what are all the statements, feats, implications that definitely put them below Freeza, cause I've given the ones that put them above Freeza.



+ Emmeth	Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM Post #73
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+ Pointer	Jun 23 2013, 02:25 PM Post #74
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Brofist Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM I've already repeated myself and given plenty of reasons why No. 19 and No. 20>Freeza. Now tell me, what are all the statements, feats, implications that definitely put them below Freeza, cause I've given the ones that put them above Freeza. First answer some questions 1 The difference between ssj goku and ssj vegeta android arc 2 The explanation of piccolo's gain ...from 1.2mil to equal to android arc ssj level /more than *200 gain/ 3 Trunks max strenght compared to Mecha frieza strength NOTE: Goku mentioned he barely trained on yadrat whilst trunks cant even cut gokus finger...we all know that both trunks and frieza was suppressed but it does not mean that if they powered to max the difference would be tha same cuz what if frieza's suppression was bigger like I mentioned pages ago...



* Stark	Jun 23 2013, 02:28 PM Post #75
Rock Lobster Posts: 3,424 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,041 Joined: December 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Game Of Thrones What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga A Song Of Ice And Fire	Abyss Jun 23 2013, 02:25 PM Brofist Jun 23 2013, 02:19 PM I've already repeated myself and given plenty of reasons why No. 19 and No. 20>Freeza. Now tell me, what are all the statements, feats, implications that definitely put them below Freeza, cause I've given the ones that put them above Freeza. First answer some questions 1 The difference between ssj goku and ssj vegeta android arc 2 The explanation of piccolo's gain ...from 1.2mil to equal to android arc ssj level /more than *200 gain/ 3 Trunks max strenght compared to Mecha frieza strength NOTE: Goku mentioned he barely trained on yadrat whilst trunks cant even cut gokus finger...we all know that both trunks and frieza was suppressed but it does not mean that if they powered to max the difference would be tha same cuz what if frieza's suppression was bigger like I mentioned pages ago... 1) There's a gap, that's for sure. If Goku was 10 I'd have Vegeta at 12. 2) We could apply the "LOL HE COULDNT BECOME SO STRONG" to soooo many moments in the manga it's not even funny. He trained with Goku, though, and it's heavily implied that he was a decent sparring partner for him. 3) Trunks roflolstomped Mecha Frieza, so the gap's quite wide.



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