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Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption
Topic Started: Jun 21 2013, 01:28 PM (10,470 Views)
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Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P13.6
Context: after No.19 punches Vegeta, to little effect
Vegeta: “I figured you were at about that level…”

All depends on what Vegeta figured. I don't think he would figure lower than Freeza.
Vegeta.

Iv realized by watching your faint movments up to now...That you guys dont seam as terrible as the rumors made out.

Than it goes quote that you already posted.

From this it means that rumors are not true and that ssjtrunks 3 years before shouldnt be so scared of androids.

Android 19,20 cant posibly be above 100mill without absorbstions.

Horsecrap.

It's not logical for main-villains to be below the last main-villain.
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Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P13.6
Context: after No.19 punches Vegeta, to little effect
Vegeta: “I figured you were at about that level…”

All depends on what Vegeta figured. I don't think he would figure lower than Freeza.
Vegeta.

Iv realized by watching your faint movments up to now...That you guys dont seam as terrible as the rumors made out.

Than it goes quote that you already posted.

From this it means that rumors are not true and that ssjtrunks 3 years before shouldnt be so scared of androids.

Android 19,20 cant posibly be above 100mill without absorbstions.

Horsecrap.

It's not logical for main-villains to be below the last main-villain.
Was it you who bashed me for using that logic? :)

Anyway I agree with you.
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Was it you who bashed me for using that logic?

Anyway I agree with you.
Nah, unless you misunderstood something.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18

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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time

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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
He did say that two androids were gonna destroy the world, he didn't refer to 17&18 until 19&20 were defeated.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

It's already absurd to think that Goku's not fighting at a level at least above his Yardrat self and that was enough to defeat Freeza with little to no effort. And even more so if its at full power, there's no way No. 19 can be weaker than Freeza. Gero would've cried tears of fear and regret along with no. 19 if there was a:

SSJ (time Skip Goku)>>SSJ Yardrat Goku>~SSJ Trunks>Mecha Freeza>Pre-Absorption No. 19, kind of gap going on.

not look at that and go "meh..." and treat it as non-threatening and something they can easily handle.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
ok u r right and trunks futures androids are actually 19 and 20 ...



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Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

Man .....Trunks THOUGHT THAT 17 AND 18 WOULD APPEAR NOT 19 AND 20..SOO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF HE expected 17 AND 18 ...THose TWO droids power shall be as strong as his futures one ....seems legit
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
ok u r right and trunks futures androids are actually 19 and 20 ...



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Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

Man .....Trunks THOUGHT THAT 17 AND 18 WOULD APPEAR NOT 19 AND 20..SOO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF HE expected 17 AND 18 ...THose TWO droids power shall be as strong as his futures one .....fair enough
He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?
Two other androids arrived, but everyone believed them to be the two Trunks was talking about, in fact everyone was shocked when they discovered that 17&18 existed.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
ok u r right and trunks futures androids are actually 19 and 20 ...



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Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

Man .....Trunks THOUGHT THAT 17 AND 18 WOULD APPEAR NOT 19 AND 20..SOO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF HE expected 17 AND 18 ...THose TWO droids power shall be as strong as his futures one .....fair enough
He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?
Two other androids arrived, but everyone believed them to be the two Trunks was talking about, in fact everyone was shocked when they discovered that 17&18 existed.
for god sake ....TRUNKS DOESNOT KNOW ANYTHING about that 19 and 20 ...HE EXPEXTED 17 AND 18 and "He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?",,,,,,..Okay Someone gonna say that tomorrow a very strong Kickboxer would come here and kick my butt .....but tomorrow there will be someone indeed however not a kickboxer but a weak 10 year old boy ....Now Shall I tremble in fear...whilst lookin at the boy assuming that I was told that he ll kick my butt?
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
ok u r right and trunks futures androids are actually 19 and 20 ...



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Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

Man .....Trunks THOUGHT THAT 17 AND 18 WOULD APPEAR NOT 19 AND 20..SOO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF HE expected 17 AND 18 ...THose TWO droids power shall be as strong as his futures one .....fair enough
He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?
Two other androids arrived, but everyone believed them to be the two Trunks was talking about, in fact everyone was shocked when they discovered that 17&18 existed.
for god sake ....TRUNKS DOESNOT KNOW ANYTHING about that 19 and 20 ...HE EXPEXTED 17 AND 18 and "He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?",,,,,,..Okay Someone gonna say that tomorrow a very strong Kickboxer would come here and kick my butt .....but tomorrow there will be someone indeed however not a kickboxer but a weak 10 year old boy ....No Shall I tremble in fear...whilst lookin at the boy assuming that I was told that he ll kick my butt?
But the lil boy doesn't fit the description of the kickboxer, if we want to apply your logic, which we don't want to because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

Trunks said that TWO androids (he did not mention 17&18) would have arrived, and they did arrive. Everyone thought that they were stronger than Frieza because everyone thought that they were the androids that made Trunks **** his pants in fear.
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the real cyborgs. Trunks specifically tells Goku that at a certain location and time, two opponents with power far surpassing Freeza would show up. Goku and company have been specifically training to fight opponents stronger than Freeza, they expect to fight opponents stronger than Freeza. It's made specifically clear that compared to these guys, Freeza was nothing and that they needed to train as hard as the could.

With no way to feel their power, one of their friends being nearly killed and Trunks pretty darn strict warning that these guys were utterly crush Freeza, it is only both fair and logical to believe Goku would want to fight at a level beyond Freeza and the initial level he showed wasn't even considered a threat by No. 19 and No. 20.

man trunks referred to 17 and 18 he didint know any s****t about 19 and 20 17 and 18 should have been appeared not 19 and 20
so "two opponents with far surpassing Frieza would show up " =====17 and 18
Yeah, Trunks knew that, but the viewer/reader didn't at the time. Trunks never explained what the androids looked like.
no ..He clearly explained that he was expecting 17 and 18 all the time
Clearly, you're not reading what I'm saying.
ok u r right and trunks futures androids are actually 19 and 20 ...



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Exactly, Goku was told that two cyborgs would appear at a certain time at a certain location with powers far surpassing Freeza and they treat Trunk's defeat of Freeza like's it a curbstomp battle. There's none of this "Maybe Freeza was holding back" for them, Goku and everyone else treat it as "This guy defeated Freeza instantly, he's hardcore!"

And this guy wants you to make sure that these guys really are beast, that these guys would whoop Freeza and Trunks' hind ends nonchalantly and if you don't train your ***es off, you, your friends, your family, your planet will be slaughtered and then you find out you can' t even sense the guy's ki. But you have those references and let's face it, one of your friends isn't doing too well right now, ain't that right Yamcha?

Man .....Trunks THOUGHT THAT 17 AND 18 WOULD APPEAR NOT 19 AND 20..SOO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF HE expected 17 AND 18 ...THose TWO droids power shall be as strong as his futures one .....fair enough
He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?
Two other androids arrived, but everyone believed them to be the two Trunks was talking about, in fact everyone was shocked when they discovered that 17&18 existed.
for god sake ....TRUNKS DOESNOT KNOW ANYTHING about that 19 and 20 ...HE EXPEXTED 17 AND 18 and "He said that two androids, stronger than freeza would have arrived to destroy everything and yadda yadda. Guess what?",,,,,,..Okay Someone gonna say that tomorrow a very strong Kickboxer would come here and kick my butt .....but tomorrow there will be someone indeed however not a kickboxer but a weak 10 year old boy ....No Shall I tremble in fear...whilst lookin at the boy assuming that I was told that he ll kick my butt?
But the lil boy doesn't fit the description of the kickboxer, if we want to apply your logic, which we don't want to because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

Trunks said that TWO androids (he did not mention 17&18) would have arrived, and they did arrive. Everyone thought that they were stronger than Frieza because everyone thought that they were the androids that made Trunks **** his pants in fear.
prove me that he didnt expect 17 and 18 ......cuz plot proves you wrong
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