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Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption
Mecha Frieza 11 (35.5%)
Android 19 and Dr. gero 20 (64.5%)
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Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Dr. gero and android 19 pre absorption
Topic Started: Jun 21 2013, 01:28 PM (10,454 Views)
mcclot1993 Jun 21 2013, 01:28 PM Post #1
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 Who was stronger Mecha Frieza or Android 19 and Dr. Gero pre absorption
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EMIYA Jun 21 2013, 02:02 PM Post #2
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Goku and company were expecting opponents to be far stronger than Freeza was and during the entire thing. This fact is never denied during the entire ordeal or even questioned despite not being the true cyborgs Trunks was talking about.

Post-Yardrat Goku is already capable of one-shotting Mecha-Freeza nearly, he's got 3 years of training under his belt now and no such thing as one shotting occurred against #19 even before Goku's health started to decline. Feats alone easily put Pre-Absorption #19 above Mecha Freeza.

(And somehow voted mecha Freeza...darn it)

Might point still stands.
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+ Majin Vegeta Jun 21 2013, 02:02 PM Post #3
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 Well interesting but I believe that the androids pre are losing here,Piccolo could easily defeat 20 post absorption and 20>19 easily so I think Mecha Frieza is for sure above 19 since I don't think Piccolo was all that stronger than Frieza,and I believe that Fireaza can take out 20 as well
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+ Emmeth Jun 21 2013, 02:04 PM Post #4
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 It's not logical to go from a strong enemy to a weaker enemy. That's not what plot is about. That's why 17 and 18 were stronger in Present Time than in the Future.
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Professor Freeza Jun 21 2013, 02:08 PM Post #5
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 i dont believe why cant Piccolo be close to Android saga SSj Goku , where it can be argued that Krillin could be as strong as 50% Freeza
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Alex D. Boss Jun 21 2013, 02:09 PM Post #6
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Jun 21 2013, 02:02 PM
Well interesting but I believe that the androids pre are losing here,Piccolo could easily defeat 20 post absorption and 20>19 easily so I think Mecha Frieza is for sure above 19 since I don't think Piccolo was all that stronger than Frieza,and I believe that Fireaza can take out 20 as well

Piccolo not all that stronger than Frieza?

Piccolo was almost as strong as the SSJ's , man.

Anyway on topic: SSJ Goku Yardrat can one-shot Mecha Frieza , 3 years later (when he gets more stronger) ,still couldn't lay 19 down on the ground.

Both Vegeta and Piccolo didn't find Trunks's rumors false at all , its just that they became too strong compare to those clowns.
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EMIYA Jun 21 2013, 02:11 PM Post #7
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P14.1
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
No.20: “However, this isn’t anything great enough to give us reason to fear. It’s still within a level which even No.19 is more than capable of defeating, and naturally that goes for myself as well…”

Obviously Goku's capable of dishing out more ki at this point and overwhelming #19, but at the current level he showed, #20>#19>Initial SSJ Goku. Take note, Goku and everyone is expecting these guys to be much stronger than Freeza. They can't sense their ki so its only fair to expect that they would at lest raise their ki to be stronger than Freeza himself and as the quote states, this wasn't enough to No. 20 and No. 19.
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+ Majin Vegeta Jun 21 2013, 02:41 PM Post #8
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Jun 21 2013, 02:09 PM
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Jun 21 2013, 02:02 PM
Well interesting but I believe that the androids pre are losing here,Piccolo could easily defeat 20 post absorption and 20>19 easily so I think Mecha Frieza is for sure above 19 since I don't think Piccolo was all that stronger than Frieza,and I believe that Fireaza can take out 20 as well

Piccolo not all that stronger than Frieza?

Piccolo was almost as strong as the SSJ's , man.

Anyway on topic: SSJ Goku Yardrat can one-shot Mecha Frieza , 3 years later (when he gets more stronger) ,still couldn't lay 19 down on the ground.

Both Vegeta and Piccolo didn't find Trunks's rumors false at all , its just that they became too strong compare to those clowns.
Well guess I said I big bulls*** then,anyway haven't thought of all this guys I quests they are much stronger than Frieza :)
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+ Emmeth Jun 21 2013, 02:44 PM Post #9
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 Many people actually are surprised by the gains Piccolo has made.

Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P12.4
Kuririn: “He’s st-strong…! What kind of training did Piccolo do…And he’s not even a Su-Super Saiyan…”

This should be a clear indication that Piccolo has surpassed Freeza by a large margin.
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Alex D. Boss Jun 21 2013, 02:55 PM Post #10
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 Piccolo is a beast in that Arc. It still shows how badass a Non-SSJ can be. A Namekian keeping up with the SSJ's , classic.
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+ Pyrus Jun 21 2013, 03:22 PM Post #11
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Jun 21 2013, 02:11 PM
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Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P14.1
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
No.20: “However, this isn’t anything great enough to give us reason to fear. It’s still within a level which even No.19 is more than capable of defeating, and naturally that goes for myself as well…”

Obviously Goku's capable of dishing out more ki at this point and overwhelming #19, but at the current level he showed, #20>#19>Initial SSJ Goku. Take note, Goku and everyone is expecting these guys to be much stronger than Freeza. They can't sense their ki so its only fair to expect that they would at lest raise their ki to be stronger than Freeza himself and as the quote states, this wasn't enough to No. 20 and No. 19.

Gero is saying that even though Goku is stronger than him, #19 can absorb his strength to reach that power and overcome it.
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Jun 21 2013, 02:44 PM
Many people actually are surprised by the gains Piccolo has made.

Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P12.4
Kuririn: “He’s st-strong…! What kind of training did Piccolo do…And he’s not even a Su-Super Saiyan…”

This should be a clear indication that Piccolo has surpassed Freeza by a large margin.

That's a broad statement. "Not even a Super Saiyan" could mean he's just a really powerful guy like the Super Saiyans, without being compared directly to one of them.
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+ Emmeth Jun 21 2013, 03:24 PM Post #12
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Jun 21 2013, 03:22 PM
Emmeth
Jun 21 2013, 02:44 PM
Many people actually are surprised by the gains Piccolo has made.

Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P12.4
Kuririn: “He’s st-strong…! What kind of training did Piccolo do…And he’s not even a Su-Super Saiyan…”

This should be a clear indication that Piccolo has surpassed Freeza by a large margin.

That's a broad statement. "Not even a Super Saiyan" could mean he's just a really powerful guy like the Super Saiyans, without being compared directly to one of them.
Krillin had seen Post-Yardrat Goku at Full Power, and they all agreed SSjin Vegeta was stronger. Why would he be surprised to see Piccolo being so strong, and compare him to the Super Saiyans, just for a broad observation?
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EMIYA Jun 21 2013, 04:30 PM Post #13
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Gero is saying that even though Goku is stronger than him, #19 can absorb his strength to reach that power and overcome it.


Except No. 20 doesn't say anything about absorbing Goku's ki to get stronger at this point. He merely notes that once Goku has transformed, the level Goku was currently at was still low enough that both No. 19 and definitely himself could have defeated. Gero makes note that he did underestimate their powers later on in the fight, but initially he makes no claim that Goku was stronger.

Gero's pretty much claiming that they can already beat the power Goku's expressing initially, not that they have to get stronger to overcome in. Especially when he still expresses that confidence in both 19 and himself, even if by some reason he was still weaker and was basing his statement on absorbing energy, the difference is still not high between Initial Goku and themselves.
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+ Pyrus Jun 21 2013, 04:50 PM Post #14
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Jun 21 2013, 04:30 PM
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Gero is saying that even though Goku is stronger than him, #19 can absorb his strength to reach that power and overcome it.


Except No. 20 doesn't say anything about absorbing Goku's ki to get stronger at this point. He merely notes that once Goku has transformed, the level Goku was currently at was still low enough that both No. 19 and definitely himself could have defeated. Gero makes note that he did underestimate their powers later on in the fight, but initially he makes no claim that Goku was stronger.

Gero's pretty much claiming that they can already beat the power Goku's expressing initially, not that they have to get stronger to overcome in. Especially when he still expresses that confidence in both 19 and himself, even if by some reason he was still weaker and was basing his statement on absorbing energy, the difference is still not high between Initial Goku and themselves.
"However, this isn’t anything great enough to give us reason to fear."

"It’s still within a level which even No.19 is more than capable of defeating"

That all makes sense if Goku is weaker than them already?
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EMIYA Jun 21 2013, 04:54 PM Post #15
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 I'm not sure what the issue is.

They think Base Goku is weak as heck, understandable, no need to argue against it. They say the same thing to Vegeta.

Goku transforms, they're surprised cause they didn't expect this and his power has clearly been raised but still note that it isn't enough to defeat them.

Then as the fight goes on, Gero admits his mistake in underestimating their power.

It went from "I can easily defeat you..." to "You've raised your power up but I can still beat you" to "Alright, I was off, I need help..."
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