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SSJ Gotenks Vs SSJ3 Goku
Topic Started: Jun 18 2013, 01:31 AM (2,348 Views)
Crow Jun 19 2013, 12:14 PM Post #31
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Professor Freeza
Jun 19 2013, 12:01 PM
I have Pre SSj Gotenks 3x stronger than SSj3 Goku .

Gotenks will rip Goku off
Where did you get 3 times stronger from, I don't even think he's stronger at all, goku was just saying that he didn't acturley show his full power that's why he said stronger than me, but even if he was at the most it would probably only be by a little.
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EMIYA Jun 19 2013, 12:24 PM Post #32
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Goku outright states that Gotenks is stronger, telling Piccolo that Boo seemed happy that an opponent even stronger than him (Goku) would be appearing. There leaves little doubt especially when people were already quite impressed with Base Gotenks' power despite his abyssal performance against Fatty. That giving Gotenks a 10x, much less the 50x I use SSJ boost would put him well above SSJ3 Goku.
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Crow Jun 19 2013, 01:00 PM Post #33
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Jun 19 2013, 12:24 PM
Goku outright states that Gotenks is stronger, telling Piccolo that Boo seemed happy that an opponent even stronger than him (Goku) would be appearing. There leaves little doubt especially when people were already quite impressed with Base Gotenks' power despite his abyssal performance against Fatty. That giving Gotenks a 10x, much less the 50x I use SSJ boost would put him well above SSJ3 Goku.
I'm not even even gonna bother dude, because obviously you can't see past blank statements and figures to mabye look at the bigger picture to see what could really be meant.
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Professor Freeza Jun 19 2013, 01:07 PM Post #34
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MasterGohan5
Jun 19 2013, 12:14 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 19 2013, 12:01 PM
I have Pre SSj Gotenks 3x stronger than SSj3 Goku .

Gotenks will rip Goku off
Where did you get 3 times stronger from, I don't even think he's stronger at all, goku was just saying that he didn't acturley show his full power that's why he said stronger than me, but even if he was at the most it would probably only be by a little.
That is your idea . I use SSj = 10x base and i calculated this thing out .

SSj3 Goku thought that he "could" beat fat Buu with his FP , and Piccolo was 100% Sure that SSj Gotenks could beat Fat buu easily
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Super Vegetto Jun 19 2013, 01:15 PM Post #35
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MasterGohan5
Jun 19 2013, 12:14 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 19 2013, 12:01 PM
I have Pre SSj Gotenks 3x stronger than SSj3 Goku .

Gotenks will rip Goku off
Where did you get 3 times stronger from, I don't even think he's stronger at all, goku was just saying that he didn't acturley show his full power that's why he said stronger than me, but even if he was at the most it would probably only be by a little.
I see what you mean, and to tell you the truth i actualy seen somewhere on japanese page where Gokus power can go higher in SSJ3 which could mean that he didnt used Full Power against Fat Boo.
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Crow Jun 19 2013, 01:22 PM Post #36
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Jun 19 2013, 01:15 PM
MasterGohan5
Jun 19 2013, 12:14 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 19 2013, 12:01 PM
I have Pre SSj Gotenks 3x stronger than SSj3 Goku .

Gotenks will rip Goku off
Where did you get 3 times stronger from, I don't even think he's stronger at all, goku was just saying that he didn't acturley show his full power that's why he said stronger than me, but even if he was at the most it would probably only be by a little.
I see what you mean, and to tell you the truth i actualy seen somewhere on japanese page where Gokus power can go higher in SSJ3 which could mean that he didnt used Full Power against Fat Boo.
Ow, well there you go :), that's basically proof, thanks man

Well i guess its only sortov proof, it helps though :)
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EMIYA Jun 19 2013, 01:45 PM Post #37
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Jun 19 2013, 01:00 PM
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Jun 19 2013, 12:24 PM
Goku outright states that Gotenks is stronger, telling Piccolo that Boo seemed happy that an opponent even stronger than him (Goku) would be appearing. There leaves little doubt especially when people were already quite impressed with Base Gotenks' power despite his abyssal performance against Fatty. That giving Gotenks a 10x, much less the 50x I use SSJ boost would put him well above SSJ3 Goku.
I'm not even even gonna bother dude, because obviously you can't see past blank statements and figures to mabye look at the bigger picture to see what could really be meant.
Are you getting spiffy with me?

It is literally stated, by Goku himself, that Gotenks is stronger than him. Regardless of whether or not Goku's was using his full power or not, there is no reason to make such a statement if it wasn't true. If Goku didn't want to say that Gotenks was stronger, he would've worded his statement differently such as "Majin Boo seemed quite interested in knowing another strong person would be arriving."

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Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.1
Context: after Gotenks is formed successfully for the first time
Kame-sennin: “Wh-what a storm of ki…! They did it! It’s a success!”


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Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

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Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”
Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…”


every single person notes that Base Gotenks has a magnificent Ki, the same people who felt both SSj2 Majin Vegeta's power and SSJ3 Goku's power. In fact besides Piccolo who's intelligent enough to see the difference between him and Majin Boo, the others actually think Gotenks might stand a chance. Its pretty much an indication that while there is a significant gap between Base Gotenks and Fat Boo, its clearly still low enough that the others incorrectly think Gotenks might stand a chance.

And once you give Gotenks that 10x and definitely 50x SSJ boost, there's no way SSj3 Goku is standing a chance against him.

So I'll say this nicely, I try to do a lot of research with these kind of things so don't question my credentials and tell me to look at the bigger picture.
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Zenet Jun 19 2013, 05:34 PM Post #38
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The gap between SS3 Goku and Gotenks is small. Meaning the SS boost is also small, smaller than x10 for sure.

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”

Gotenks power can't be overwhelmingly stronger than Goku or he would have said someone much stronger.

There's more evidence that the gap isn't as huge as people think.
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+ Pyrus Jun 19 2013, 06:39 PM Post #39
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 The "Goku wasn't using full power against Fat Boo so at full power he could be stronger than Gotenks" excuse is pathetic.
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Lets say the magazine is fake what about the info those fans bring out.
it seems what was said sounds like they predicted Mysitc Gohan in this sentence right below
"But Gotenkusu will not be the only person to go higher than son Goku."

which is hard to make up if its made up info.

Uh, the magazine is confirmed to be fake and thus the interview is fake. I don't give a s*** if something it said turned out to be even remotely true. Lol.
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+ Majin Vegeta Jun 19 2013, 06:41 PM Post #40
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Jun 19 2013, 06:39 PM
The "Goku wasn't using full power against Fat Boo so at full power he could be stronger than Gotenks" excuse is pathetic.
Agree with Pyrus here I'm not sure he would have won the fight yes he MIGHT have been(not for sure though) stronger but Majin Buu has still the regenaration still and some teckniques as well
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SSJ Jun 19 2013, 06:43 PM Post #41
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Jun 19 2013, 05:34 PM
The gap between SS3 Goku and Gotenks is small. Meaning the SS boost is also small, smaller than x10 for sure.

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”

Gotenks power can't be overwhelmingly stronger than Goku or he would have said someone much stronger.

There's more evidence that the gap isn't as huge as people think.
That's not even relevant because Goku was only estimating. He wouldn't know to an exact amount how much stronger Gotenks would be, he just knew they'd be stronger.
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+ Pyrus Jun 19 2013, 06:43 PM Post #42
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Jun 19 2013, 06:39 PM
The "Goku wasn't using full power against Fat Boo so at full power he could be stronger than Gotenks" excuse is pathetic.
Agree with Pyrus here I'm not sure he would have won the fight yes he MIGHT have been(not for sure though) stronger but Majin Buu has still the regenaration still and some teckniques as well
There's no doubt Goku could have beaten Fat Boo if he'd gone all-out, but "all-out" in this case is not referring to power. It's referring to how much effort he's putting in (aka how seriously he's taking the fight). There is literally NOTHING in the manga or supplementary material that supports Goku having two different power levels with Super Saiyan 3.
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+ Majin Vegeta Jun 19 2013, 06:45 PM Post #43
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Jun 19 2013, 06:41 PM
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Jun 19 2013, 06:39 PM
The "Goku wasn't using full power against Fat Boo so at full power he could be stronger than Gotenks" excuse is pathetic.
Agree with Pyrus here I'm not sure he would have won the fight yes he MIGHT have been(not for sure though) stronger but Majin Buu has still the regenaration still and some teckniques as well
There's no doubt Goku could have beaten Fat Boo if he'd gone all-out, but "all-out" in this case is not referring to power. It's referring to how much effort he's putting in (aka how seriously he's taking the fight). There is literally NOTHING in the manga or supplementary material that supports Goku having two different power levels with Super Saiyan 3.
It was only stated that he might have won or just couldn't if I recall right I remember that one ^_^
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EMIYA Jun 19 2013, 06:49 PM Post #44
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 More than most of you always try to imply that gaps between character don't have to be large, well same thing here. If you imply let's say a 10x SSJ increase, then obviously you'd follow the same format. Gotenks is noted to have a very impressive power, one that many people Piccolo included noted to be impressive. Other than Piccolo, people thought Gotenks might've stood a chance against Fat Boo.

Gotenks only ends up being maybe 4-5x weaker, and I specifically chose those numbers because many people intend to claim that a weakness doesn't have to be that large. And that still leaves SSJ Gotenks with an 5-6x advantage over Goku. Which is more than enough for Gotenks to curbstomp Goku in every possible way regardless of amps or whatever.

And that's using a relatively small SSJ multiplier. Get any higher and gap only increase further unless you want to somehow imply that Base Gotenks is 48x weaker than Goku or something. Which honestly is pure nonsense.
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+ Pyrus Jun 19 2013, 06:51 PM Post #45
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Jun 19 2013, 06:41 PM
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Jun 19 2013, 06:39 PM
The "Goku wasn't using full power against Fat Boo so at full power he could be stronger than Gotenks" excuse is pathetic.
Agree with Pyrus here I'm not sure he would have won the fight yes he MIGHT have been(not for sure though) stronger but Majin Buu has still the regenaration still and some teckniques as well
There's no doubt Goku could have beaten Fat Boo if he'd gone all-out, but "all-out" in this case is not referring to power. It's referring to how much effort he's putting in (aka how seriously he's taking the fight). There is literally NOTHING in the manga or supplementary material that supports Goku having two different power levels with Super Saiyan 3.
It was only stated that he might have won or just couldn't if I recall right I remember that one ^_^
He told Vegeta he could have beaten Boo but wanted the kids to do it. It doesn't negate the fact that him and Fat Boo can't be that far apart in power or Piccolo never would have had motive to question his ability to win.
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