Vegetunks vs Goken

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Vegetunks vs Goken
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 16 2013, 09:04 PM (1,756 Views)
Vertical	Jun 17 2013, 05:42 AM Post #16
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Vegeta8558 Jun 17 2013, 05:32 AM Vertical Jun 17 2013, 05:29 AM Vegeta8558 Jun 17 2013, 05:06 AM Vertical Jun 16 2013, 10:28 PM Vegeta8558 Jun 16 2013, 10:01 PM Its about teckniques and skills as well not just power my friend The power difference here will not be overcome by skills or techniques. Trugeta wins. Trunks gains on the chamber is not that huge even Piccolo said that small gains separately will gave the fusion an incredible increase of power,and don't forget the ability of IT as well it might be some factor here If you believe the following: - the fusion formula is fixed and simple [something like "(A + B) x 10"] - which it should be considering that the result is predictable - [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks - which is implied by Piccolo - fusion SSJ transformations are identical to non-fusion SSJ transformations - which should be true because if they weren't something would have been noted ...then [Post-RoSaT] Base Trunks/Goten > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Trunks/Goten Huge or not [depending on your SSJ system], the gap is still there, and it's very apparent. You're effectively pitting a SSJ character against a Base character... when the SSJ character already has an advantage in Base. You think that Goten and Trunks post in base are stronger than their own counterparts as ssjs pre or do I got it wrong? I'm saying that if you believe the 3 points I presented above... they have to be.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 05:42 AM Post #17
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	So who do you think wins via Potara then?
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Vertical	Jun 17 2013, 05:49 AM Post #18
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Similar result... although it would be a little closer. And by a little closer... it would be similar to Fantastic Gohan vs Stupendous Buu. Still a clear victory to Vegetanks.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 05:52 AM Post #19
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Vertical Jun 17 2013, 05:49 AM Similar result... although it would be a little closer. And by a little closer... it would be similar to Fantastic Gohan vs Stupendous Buu. Still a clear victory to Vegetanks. But I don't get it Goku>Vegeta and Trunks>Goten for almost the same amount how would Vegetunks win as easily as Goku did against Goken ?
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* Crashbreaka	Jun 17 2013, 05:53 AM Post #20
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Via Potara I actually reckon Goken would win, just because I have Goku stronger than Vegeta in comparison to Trunks and Goten.



+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 06:07 AM Post #21
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I believe that with Potara Goken wins as well after a great battle there power levels must be somewhat equal but I think there a bit stronger as well
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+ miguelnuva	Jun 17 2013, 06:33 AM Post #22
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	I still think with dance Goken wins due to SSJ3.
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Vertical	Jun 17 2013, 06:49 AM Post #23
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Vegeta8558 Jun 17 2013, 05:52 AM Vertical Jun 17 2013, 05:49 AM Similar result... although it would be a little closer. And by a little closer... it would be similar to Fantastic Gohan vs Stupendous Buu. Still a clear victory to Vegetanks. But I don't get it Goku>Vegeta and Trunks>Goten for almost the same amount how would Vegetunks win as easily as Goku did against Goken ? I believe the gap between [Post-RoSaT] Trunks and [Pre-RoSaT] Goten is substantial. Far more so than the gap between Goku and Vegeta.
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+ miguelnuva	Jun 17 2013, 07:53 AM Post #24
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	I believe more in the small gains for Goten and Trunks are huge gains for Gotenks.
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Vertical	Jun 17 2013, 09:04 AM Post #25
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	miguelnuva Jun 17 2013, 07:53 AM I believe more in the small gains for Goten and Trunks are huge gains for Gotenks. So you believe in an inconsistent fusion formula... or some sort of Universal Clipboard that Gotenks exists within when he doesn't exist in the normal world?
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 11:27 AM Post #26
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Not at all Piccolo said it that the smallest gains will give Gotenks massive gains we can't Denyi that
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Vertical	Jun 17 2013, 12:01 PM Post #27
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Vegeta8558 Jun 17 2013, 11:27 AM Not at all Piccolo said it that the smallest gains will give Gotenks massive gains we can't Denyi that I don't deny that. The following are EXAMPLES... they are not an accurate representation of what I believe, merely general, simple-to-follow, examples. Let's say, for this example, the fusion formula is "(A + B) x 10". If Trunks and Goten start as "10"... Gotenks = (10 + 10) x 10 = 20 x 10 = 200 If Trunks and Goten gain +10 each... Gotenks = (20 + 20) x 10 = 40 x 10 = 400 So here, Goten and Trunks have only gained "10"... a small amount. But Gotenks has gained "200"... a huge amount by comparison. But really... Goten and Trunks have doubled their strength... leading to Gotenks doubling his. For arguments sake, let's say SSJ = 50xBase Using the above formula... if [Pre-RoSaT] Goten/Trunks = 10 [Pre-RoSaT] Base Gotenks = (10 + 10) x 10 = 20 x 10 = 200 [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks = 200 x 50 = 10,000 For simplicity's sake the example will show how high they need to be to be EQUAL... obviously they would need to be even higher... (A + B) x 10 = 10,000 (A + B) = 10,000 / 10 (A + B) = 1000 [Post-RoSaT] Goten/Trunks = 500 each... for [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks to be equal with [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks At the end of the day, AT did not write with a formula in mind... but in comparing hypothetical characters, we generally must apply numbers, and by extension formulas to characters, transformations, and techniques. If you believe the fusion formula is fixed/simple [which it should be] then Goten/Trunks must surpass their [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ strength for Gotenks to do the same. If you do not wish their gains to be 50x their previous strength or more... lower your SSJ ratio.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 12:04 PM Post #28
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Great job Vertical you know you are right we don't have clear numbers for AT so you have your numbers(which makes sense)but I still am on my ones anyway different multipliers different opinions
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+ miguelnuva	Jun 17 2013, 08:47 PM Post #29
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Vertical Jun 17 2013, 09:04 AM miguelnuva Jun 17 2013, 07:53 AM I believe more in the small gains for Goten and Trunks are huge gains for Gotenks. So you believe in an inconsistent fusion formula... or some sort of Universal Clipboard that Gotenks exists within when he doesn't exist in the normal world? No I thinking more like Gotenks pre: 3x4= 12 MSSJ Gotenks pre: 120 Gotenks post: 11x12=132 Goten and Trunks would not have surpassed their pre SSJ forms but Gotenks's base has surpassed his SSJ pre form.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jun 17 2013, 09:10 PM Post #30
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	miguelnuva Jun 17 2013, 08:47 PM Vertical Jun 17 2013, 09:04 AM miguelnuva Jun 17 2013, 07:53 AM I believe more in the small gains for Goten and Trunks are huge gains for Gotenks. So you believe in an inconsistent fusion formula... or some sort of Universal Clipboard that Gotenks exists within when he doesn't exist in the normal world? No I thinking more like Gotenks pre: 3x4= 12 MSSJ Gotenks pre: 120 Gotenks post: 11x12=132 Goten and Trunks would not have surpassed their pre SSJ forms but Gotenks's base has surpassed his SSJ pre form. Basically that,it doesn't make sense for Trunks or Goten to have surpasses their Ssj self counter parts pre rosat
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