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Majin Goku ssj2 vs Lssj Broly M10
Topic Started: May 31 2013, 01:26 PM (2,161 Views)
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Stay on topic guys and don't spam ;)

Either way, though, be careful not to turn this into a whether SSj2 Goku can beat Broly scenario.
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To be completely serious, I think Broly would be Good Boo tier, and that's not very far above top SSJ2 tier. I think Goku has all his dormant potential in play when he fights Vegeta, so I don't think Goku would get anything. Broly wins.
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To be completely serious, I think Broly would be Good Boo tier, and that's not very far above top SSJ2 tier. I think Goku has all his dormant potential in play when he fights Vegeta, so I don't think Goku would get anything. Broly wins.
We hold the exact same opinion, then. I think Broly is around Good Boo. Maybe a bit stronger depending on how you view the whole "Gohan powered up in movie 10" and various other things we could speculate forever on with Broly's power. But even if you put him as far ahead as you can possibly make him, I don't see how a Majin SSj2 Goku would lose. These power levels are pretty bunched together, with each group only outpacing the other by a step or two. The SSj2's were a bit behind Good Boo:

Hypothetical SSj2 Majin Goku > LSSj Broly (movie 10, max estimation) >= Good Boo > SSj2 Vegeta (post-Majin) = SSj2 Majin Vegeta = SSj2 Goku >= LSSj Broly (movie 10, average/minimum estimate, arguments' sake) > SSj2 Gohan
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To be completely serious, I think Broly would be Good Boo tier, and that's not very far above top SSJ2 tier. I think Goku has all his dormant potential in play when he fights Vegeta, so I don't think Goku would get anything. Broly wins.
We hold the exact same opinion, then. I think Broly is around Good Boo. Maybe a bit stronger depending on how you view the whole "Gohan powered up in movie 10" and various other things we could speculate forever on with Broly's power. But even if you put him as far ahead as you can possibly make him, I don't see how a Majin SSj2 Goku would lose. These power levels are pretty bunched together, with each group only outpacing the other by a step or two. The SSj2's were a bit behind Good Boo:

Hypothetical SSj2 Majin Goku > LSSj Broly (movie 10, max estimation) >= Good Boo > SSj2 Vegeta (post-Majin) = SSj2 Majin Vegeta = SSj2 Goku >= LSSj Broly (movie 10, average/minimum estimate, arguments' sake) > SSj2 Gohan
I believe that even the 2 ssj2s are at good buu level(Goku and Vegeta)because they were weaker than Fat Buu correct,and Evil Buu is almostn3/4 of fat buus power in my opinion wouldn't that made Broly even stronger than Godd Buu and around Fat buus level?
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Okay, here's my thought on the entire thing;

First of all, let me say I think Goku's Potential = Vegeta's Potential. So if Vegeta got all his potential unlocked by Babidi's Spell, that would mean all of Goku's potential power was already out. In this case, the Majin spell would be totally useless Goku. That would mean that Broly, who is arguably at Good Boo tier, would win.
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That's just where I have them. The point I'm making is, no matter where you stand on the Broly argument, it's hard to project him so far out to the extreme based on rational evidence that he could beat a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku. It's simply not within rational parameters of his power on either extreme.

Emmeth: I did think of that actually, and was going to make a point on that. But, Vegeta was directly stated to have needed the power up just to match Goku. The Majin power up could be argued, even further, to bring a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku up to SSj3 Goku status. Simply because the Majin power up draws the user beyond their natural limits, just like SSj3 was. I'm not sure if I necessarily subscribe to this idea myself, but, I feel it is worth pointing out.
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Jun 1 2013, 07:21 AM
To be completely serious, I think Broly would be Good Boo tier, and that's not very far above top SSJ2 tier. I think Goku has all his dormant potential in play when he fights Vegeta, so I don't think Goku would get anything. Broly wins.
We hold the exact same opinion, then. I think Broly is around Good Boo. Maybe a bit stronger depending on how you view the whole "Gohan powered up in movie 10" and various other things we could speculate forever on with Broly's power. But even if you put him as far ahead as you can possibly make him, I don't see how a Majin SSj2 Goku would lose. These power levels are pretty bunched together, with each group only outpacing the other by a step or two. The SSj2's were a bit behind Good Boo:

Hypothetical SSj2 Majin Goku > LSSj Broly (movie 10, max estimation) >= Good Boo > SSj2 Vegeta (post-Majin) = SSj2 Majin Vegeta = SSj2 Goku >= LSSj Broly (movie 10, average/minimum estimate, arguments' sake) > SSj2 Gohan
I believe that even the 2 ssj2s are at good buu level(Goku and Vegeta)because they were weaker than Fat Buu correct,and Evil Buu is almostn3/4 of fat buus power in my opinion wouldn't that made Broly even stronger than Godd Buu and around Fat buus level?
No thats kinda impossible

Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
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Jun 1 2013, 07:30 AM
Okay, here's my thought on the entire thing;

First of all, let me say I think Goku's Potential = Vegeta's Potential. So if Vegeta got all his potential unlocked by Babidi's Spell, that would mean all of Goku's potential power was already out. In this case, the Majin spell would be totally useless Goku. That would mean that Broly, who is arguably at Good Boo tier, would win.
Yeah that's the actually true but its what-if fight and Goku just gets the same power that Vegeta get :) ,its not like Goku is evil in the first place to become Majin I mean :blush:
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Jun 1 2013, 07:31 AM
Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
Although I agree with you, I think some factors should be taken into account:

- Good Boo's regeneration.
- Good Boo's magic.
- Good Boo's stamina.

Good Boo didn't really show any amazing feats against Chibi Boo, much like Vegeta.
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Jun 1 2013, 07:21 AM
To be completely serious, I think Broly would be Good Boo tier, and that's not very far above top SSJ2 tier. I think Goku has all his dormant potential in play when he fights Vegeta, so I don't think Goku would get anything. Broly wins.
We hold the exact same opinion, then. I think Broly is around Good Boo. Maybe a bit stronger depending on how you view the whole "Gohan powered up in movie 10" and various other things we could speculate forever on with Broly's power. But even if you put him as far ahead as you can possibly make him, I don't see how a Majin SSj2 Goku would lose. These power levels are pretty bunched together, with each group only outpacing the other by a step or two. The SSj2's were a bit behind Good Boo:

Hypothetical SSj2 Majin Goku > LSSj Broly (movie 10, max estimation) >= Good Boo > SSj2 Vegeta (post-Majin) = SSj2 Majin Vegeta = SSj2 Goku >= LSSj Broly (movie 10, average/minimum estimate, arguments' sake) > SSj2 Gohan
I believe that even the 2 ssj2s are at good buu level(Goku and Vegeta)because they were weaker than Fat Buu correct,and Evil Buu is almostn3/4 of fat buus power in my opinion wouldn't that made Broly even stronger than Godd Buu and around Fat buus level?
No thats kinda impossible

Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
This exactly.

The "Boo durability" thing also doesn't apply here, as Vegeta directly stated that it seemed Boo's could harm other Boo's. Good Boo held up for quite a lot longer than SSj2 Vegeta did against Chibi Boo, and he was dead when that fight happened which increased his durability.
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That's just where I have them. The point I'm making is, no matter where you stand on the Broly argument, it's hard to project him so far out to the extreme based on rational evidence that he could beat a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku. It's simply not within rational parameters of his power on either extreme.

Emmeth: I did think of that actually, and was going to make a point on that. But, Vegeta was directly stated to have needed the power up just to match Goku. The Majin power up could be argued, even further, to bring a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku up to SSj3 Goku status. Simply because the Majin power up draws the user beyond their natural limits, just like SSj3 was. I'm not sure if I necessarily subscribe to this idea myself, but, I feel it is worth pointing out.


It's a good point.

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No thats kinda impossible

Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
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This exactly.

The "Boo durability" thing also doesn't apply here, as Vegeta directly stated that it seemed Boo's could harm other Boo's. Good Boo held up for quite a lot longer than SSj2 Vegeta did against Chibi Boo, and he was dead when that fight happened which increased his durability.


Nah, I don't know what Vegeta meant by that exactly. How it's shown, if what you're saying applies, is Good Boo >>>> SSJ2s. I don't believe the gap is that big, tbh.


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Good buus stamina I believe was hee greatest advantage over Vegetas turn,he posses much greater stamina so that he can cost more damage to Kid Buu
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Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
Although I agree with you, I think some factors should be taken into account:

- Good Boo's regeneration.
- Good Boo's magic.
- Good Boo's stamina.

Good Boo didn't really show any amazing feats against Chibi Boo, much like Vegeta.
Good Buu's Stamina and Durability feat proved some thing . if u didnt read this , here's Nicifix's quote , with which i agree

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The "Boo durability" thing also doesn't apply here, as Vegeta directly stated that it seemed Boo's could harm other Boo's. Good Boo held up for quite a lot longer than SSj2 Vegeta did against Chibi Boo, and he was dead when that fight happened which increased his durability.


Plus , Vegeta was done in what , 8 hits .

Good buu stayed far more than that , and apparently , having less skill than Vegeta
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That's just where I have them. The point I'm making is, no matter where you stand on the Broly argument, it's hard to project him so far out to the extreme based on rational evidence that he could beat a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku. It's simply not within rational parameters of his power on either extreme.

Emmeth: I did think of that actually, and was going to make a point on that. But, Vegeta was directly stated to have needed the power up just to match Goku. The Majin power up could be argued, even further, to bring a hypothetical Majin SSj2 Goku up to SSj3 Goku status. Simply because the Majin power up draws the user beyond their natural limits, just like SSj3 was. I'm not sure if I necessarily subscribe to this idea myself, but, I feel it is worth pointing out.


It's a good point.

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No thats kinda impossible

Good Buu > SSj2's are kinda proven by Good Buu vs kid buu

The gap wont be huge , but still Good buu will beat them fairly
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This exactly.

The "Boo durability" thing also doesn't apply here, as Vegeta directly stated that it seemed Boo's could harm other Boo's. Good Boo held up for quite a lot longer than SSj2 Vegeta did against Chibi Boo, and he was dead when that fight happened which increased his durability.


Nah, I don't know what Vegeta meant by that exactly. How it's shown, if what you're saying applies, is Good Boo >>>> SSJ2s. I don't believe the gap is that big, tbh.


Edit: Sorry for the bad quoting edit :|
Nah, as I said, I don't really think there is a big difference. I think Boo has a small but significant lead on the SSj2 Boo Saga adults.
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I am aware of Vegeta's statement, but even if the Boo's can hurt eachother, his stamina and durability does have a lot to say. He survived for a lot longer, due to that.
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