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Gohan doesn't need anger...
Topic Started: May 30 2013, 10:15 PM (1,769 Views)
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If anger is truly the vessel for Gohan to ascend beyond Super Saiyan then he would have done so whilst Videl was being beaten to death. Even in his most enraged state(that is ever exhibited during the Boo Arc) he only brought himself to transform into a regular Super Saiyan.
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Once he gave Videl the senzu he was pleased as punch. Anger is no longer attributed to Gohan's face or persona, in fact it's quite the opposite(I'm to lazy to provide scans).
I'm not denying his anger towards Spopovitch, but it isn't present. Gohan doesn't hold onto anger like that, at least not anymore as he describes later on "It's not like it use to be."

Gohan is in complete control when he transforms at the budokai.
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I agree. He does not. However, I did see a very interesting theory on here at one point that pointed out that every time Gohan had a massive unleash of energy, the event that caused it always escalated from the previous one. I thought this theory was really cool and it would prove what you're saying as true, as there's no way that Gohan would be mad at Kibito for facing him at a tournament when he freaked out at Freeza for nearly killing Piccolo.

DBZHybrid, you make a very solid point there. That image is a good example.
Edited by Sam, Jun 1 2013, 07:57 AM.
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My friend, the key word here is retcon.

Base Saiyans >> Kaio-shin >/>> Kibito

Yet, Kibito was apparently near Base Gohan at the Tournament

Goku's emphasis on anger and drawing out Gohan's power through it suggests to me that post-Tournament, he needed anger to transform;

Tournament (Pre-retcon) : Gohan could transform to SSJ2 at will
Babidi's Ship (Post-retcon) : Gohan needed anger to transform into a SSJ2
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U really don't think AT retcon anything as bad as his memory is. Alao I posted enough reason why Gohan could have been mad at the budokai.
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My friend, the key word here is retcon.
Base Saiyans >> Kaio-shin >/>> Kibito
Yet, Kibito was apparently near Base Gohan at the Tournament

Goku's emphasis on anger and drawing out Gohan's power through it suggests to me that post-Tournament, he needed anger to transform;

Tournament (Pre-retcon) : Gohan could transform to SSJ2 at will
Babidi's Ship (Post-retcon) : Gohan needed anger to transform into a SSJ2


What reasoning do you have for that assumption?


I have to disagree. It's already been shown thrice within the same continuity of the story that he is very well capable of ascension on his own free will. Goku knew what he was capable of as a child and realises what he's capable of now. The recurring circumstances of Gohan's rage continues to suggest he is capable of a lot more incredible dormant power. Goku acknowledges this and cites it to Gohan before he goes off to fight Dabura, Babidi and Boo('s egg).

"Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have."

His ability to transform has already been established, Goku focus is on his dormant ability, in which rage is shown to be the catalyst. It isn't suggested that he can't ascend post Budokai, it's merely speculation.

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U really don't think AT retcon anything as bad as his memory is. Alao I posted enough reason why Gohan could have been mad at the budokai.


I don't think it's fair to play the 'author did a dodgy job' card. There's no way of knowing that, and to be blunt but fair, the reasoning you've given me is invalid.
Edited by Ryebrid, Jun 1 2013, 01:29 PM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Ignore the random fan translation, I went up and just got the scans from mangahere.

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Quite frankly the 5th panel, top right. That is some serious bloodlusted **** right there. I wouldn't want mess with that. You can just see the absolute fury in Gohan's eyes. And look at that second panel at the top near the left, he must shaking with absolute fury. He took of his sunglasses so you know some serious **** is about to go down now. I don't know what Kibito was thinking, look at the last panel! Have you ever seen a furious rage, man Cell had it easy when he fought Kid Gohan. This is an entirely new Gohan, furious to the extreme.

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There may be some thought put into a recton but as said, Goku wants Gohan to get angry (Which is probably another recton cause he sure as hell got miffed when Videl was hurt). Even Vegeta states that he doesn't know how strong Gohan might get if he gets angry.

@ miguelnuva, and I just posted scans here as well as my previous post of how that's not possible.
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Izanagi!

Explain the implications of Kibito being near Base Gohan at the Budokai, then being far beneath the Base Saiyans at Babidi's Spaceship.

The argument that Gohan couldn't transform into a SSJ2 because he was too weak is a frail one. As a kid, he was able to maintain the transformation even when he took a hit which cut his power in half. No reference of anger is made in regards to Gohan transforming until Post-Budokai

Brofist - He looks angry as ****. You're right, wouldn't want to mess with him
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Actually is there anything that implies that Kibito is near Base Gohan at the time? Last time I checked Kibito just wanted Gohan to transform because he knew Yamu and Spopovitch would go after him. Gohan just decided he would pop into SSJ2 at the time. Plus the fact that Gohan nor anyone else can actually actually sense Kibito's ki, there's not really anything suggesting that Kibito does indeed rival Gohan.

Kibito was never expecting to fight Gohan.
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Izanagi!

Chapter: 443 (DBZ 249), P9.1-3
Context: as Gohan prepares to fight Kibito
Gohan: “Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].”
Note: That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing.

There's also an entry in...Daiz 7, I believe, stating that Base Gohan and Kibito were in the around equals
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Ah I see, interesting especially if the Daiz. part is true and thus that does create problems.
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HE JUST NEEDED TO GET ANGRY TO BECOME SSJ2 FOR THE FIRST TIME.
It's like saying goku needs to be sad to go SSJ3 for the 5000000000 time.
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Looks like a POed look to me.


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There's the f*ck face.


I'm not saying Gohan needs to be furious and go through a rage boost just that him thinking he was going to get kicked out of school and revealed as a SSJ plus what happened to Videl earlier is enough to say he was mad at the Budokai and that being angry makes it easier to transform to SSJ2.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

That's not anger, that's just Gohan getting serious.
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No reference of anger is made in regards to Gohan transforming until Post-Budokai


No reference is made in Gohan's ability to transform post Budokai.
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May 31 2013, 02:48 PM
Even a lack of ki wouldn't explain it. Gohan lost over 50% of his power against Zenkai Perfect Cell, not only is he able to attain his full power by the end of the duel but even before then can still maintain his SSj2 form despite his heavy wounds.
Gohan was already transformed by the time of his injury.
The transformation process itself requires ki, even FPSSj follows this rule. This was the whole reason Goku couldn't transform against Kid Boo when Boo was pushing the Genki Dama back. He didn't have the ki to pull it off.

And there's no evidence that Gohan was able to tap into his full power to push Cell back. We never saw his limit previously, so there's no way to know if his full power was what we saw later. Vegeta's distraction of Cell no doubt played into that situation as well.
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