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Gohan: Super Saiyan 2 VS Majin Buu; Why didn't he use it?
Topic Started: May 29 2013, 09:52 PM (8,838 Views)
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Jun 1 2013, 02:39 AM
So Goku, or Vegeta, and definitely both--could have taken on Boo at hatching. Hmm.
Vegeta laughs at Fat Boo at first, and Son Goku doesn't dismiss him; rather, the latter introduces that something feels off about Fat Boo's power.
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SSJ2 Teen Gohan> Fat Buu initial is all but confirmed.
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Jun 1 2013, 02:50 AM
SSJ2 Teen Gohan> Fat Buu initial is all but confirmed.
Yes it is, Gohan thinks he can win if he has his true power.
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Only if SSJ 2 Teen Gohan (Max) ~ SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Max)...

Otherwise, Son Gohan, in any form, didn't have a chance against Fat Boo.
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Well, if he said he could then I don't see why not. He's going to have to do something really incredible, though. It won't be easy. That is.. If he knows what he's talking about when he says his true power can get the job done.
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Well it depends. If he was well aware of his own power and he thought he could win, then SSJ 2 Gohan Teen could be stronger than the Buu Vegwta was laughing at.
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He never once thought he could 'win', he only hopes to manage something.
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Jun 1 2013, 03:36 AM
He never once thought he could 'win', he only hopes to manage something.
Mange something neans it could go either way. Gohan also says Buu is strong but not unbeatable.
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Jun 1 2013, 03:36 AM
He never once thought he could 'win', he only hopes to manage something.
Vegeta also said that he could "manage something" vs Dabura if he can stay away from his spit

That didnt mean vegeta couldnt beat Dabura
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Tired as *** but I'll post still.

Logical reasons for why gohan was a ssj2 (both against dabura and buu):

1/ Gohan easily went ssj2 at the budokai just a few pages before his fight with dabura.

2/ Gohan wasn't angry when he went ssj2 at the Budokai and spoke of the transformation as though hes mastered it.

3/ Gohan has no reason to hold out against dabura; Hes trying not to give up battle energy which would release buu, and hes trying to restore his friends back to normal.. so why would he hold back? because of his saiyan blood? if so he would have went ssj2 mid-Battle because obviously the fight was leaning towards dabura who was fighting with little effort in contrast to gohan.

4/ During the dabura fight, Vegeta doesnt get pissed at gohan for holding back/playing around or even not being able to transform to an ''ascended'' ssj again like he did back at the budokai but instead gets pissed at him for not training enough and getting weaker.

5/ Goku says dabura is as strong as cell at first but later says ''hes stronger than I thought''. so ssj ''teen'' gohan who is implyed to be <<ssj preteen gohan would be flattened by perfect form cell who is implyed to be weaker that dabura. Which means gohan had to have been at ssj2 to not be taken out easily by Dabura.

Logical reasons for gohan not being ssj2:

1/ He doesnt look it.

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Jun 1 2013, 07:43 AM
Tired as *** but I'll post still.

Logical reasons for why gohan was a ssj2 (both against dabura and buu):

1/ Gohan easily went ssj2 at the budokai just a few pages before his fight with dabura.

2/ Gohan wasn't angry when he went ssj2 at the Budokai and spoke of the transformation as though hes mastered it.

3/ Gohan has no reason to hold out against dabura; Hes trying not to give up battle energy which would release buu, and hes trying to restore his friends back to normal.. so why would he hold back? because of his saiyan blood? if so he would have went ssj2 mid-Battle because obviously the fight was leaning towards dabura who was fighting with little effort in contrast to gohan.

4/ During the dabura fight, Vegeta doesnt get pissed at gohan for holding back/playing around or even not being able to transform to an ''ascended'' ssj again like he did back at the budokai but instead gets pissed at him for not training enough and getting weaker.

5/ Goku says dabura is as strong as cell at first but later says ''hes stronger than I thought''. so ssj ''teen'' gohan who is implyed to be <<ssj preteen gohan would be flattened by perfect form cell who is implyed to be weaker that dabura. Which means gohan had to have been at ssj2 to not be taken out easily by Dabura.

Logical reasons for gohan not being ssj2:

1/ He doesnt look it.

Choose...
This , would be my answer , becoz Artwork > logic :

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Look , the Artwork from the Author is Final .

U can say as many times as u want that Gohan was an SSj2 / Should have been an SSj2 by bringing "Evidences"

But it doesnt work

AT has always given Lightning for SSj2 . If he didnt use it for gohan , it must be for a reason .

It means Gohan was an SSj


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Artwork is more important than logic when Toriyama himself did it. There isn't a lot of logic in Dragonball, after all :p . It's meant for kids and teenagers, not scholars.

I still think he was just too drained to transform to SSj2 from when Yamu and Spopovich drained him and Kibito directly stated that he couldn't restore him to full power. I think that's about as direct and obvious as you can get and the only real "evidence" other than the artwork that he couldn't transform to SSj. Although this is non-canonical, against Broly when he thought he was all alone and everything he knew was going to die, would he really hold back SSj2 if he could use it? No. He transformed to MSSj when he had the beam struggle with Broly, a form that he's obviously easily gotten used to using without stress. Broly kicked the s*** out of him too much for him to transform to Super Saiyan 2 again.
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Jun 1 2013, 08:02 AM
Artwork is more important than logic when Toriyama himself did it. There isn't a lot of logic in Dragonball, after all :p . It's meant for kids and teenagers, not scholars.

I still think he was just too drained to transform to SSj2 from when Yamu and Spopovich drained him and Kibito directly stated that he couldn't restore him to full power. I think that's about as direct and obvious as you can get and the only real "evidence" other than the artwork that he couldn't transform to SSj.
THIS100%. I don't know how people can dispute that he was only MSSJ against Dabura and Buu.
Anyhow, he didn't even try/want to go SSJ2 against Dabura, he wanted to try and impress his farther by beating him in MSSJ, but it only had the opposite effect, because of his slight drop in power and significant drop in fighting sense.
Dabura was even holding back, being as strong as Full Power Perfect Cell.
If the fight dragged on, he would have likely tried to use SSJ2, and failed, just like against Buu.
Basically because of the Kibito reason, he couldn't fully restore his Ki, I mean, Dende has always been able to, you think a Kai could.
Dende restored Ultimate Gohan, or was that Anime only?
So perhaps since SSJ2 likely uses some level of Hidden Power to perform, and that's the basis of the form.
The Energy drain done with Babidi's device: because it took a load of Gohan's Hidden Power as well as his Standard Power: His Ki couldn't be restored conventionally, and it had to come back on it's own over time, until the damage had faded.
And that was why, despite trying, he couldn't go SSJ2 against Majin Buu.
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Gohan was not SSJ2 against Dabura or Fat Buu.

Supreme Kai tells him it's time to use his true strength. Show us your true strength.
Gohan referred to his SSJ2 strength being his full power. If he was already a SSJ2 there would be no need for this statement.

Why Gohan accessed it in tournament. After witnessing Videl get hurt he had stored his anger up to the confrontation with Kbito.
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Son Gohan ate a senzu before fighting Fat Boo... not so drained...
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