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Gohan: Super Saiyan 2 VS Majin Buu; Why didn't he use it?
Topic Started: May 29 2013, 09:52 PM (8,839 Views)
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DSB
May 30 2013, 03:57 PM
Look , the Artwork from the Author is Final .

U can say as many times as u want that Gohan was an SSj2 / Should have been an SSj2 by bringing "Evidences"

But it doesnt work

AT has always given Lightning for SSj2 . If he didnt use it for gohan , it must be for a reason .

It means Gohan was an SSj


What you’re adopting isn’t sound evidence, it’s simple observation; I have also observed SSJ2 drawn without lightning in the story, so I know for a fact your viewpoint isn’t substantial.

If your position isn’t even based off verifiable truth then you’d only be wasting your time trying to find logical support for something that was never proven to begin with.
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"Post was too old and I don't believe some of it any more."

Anyway, most people know that he was in fact MSSJ in those battles, so I don't need to explain it.
Edited by Raiken, May 30 2013, 07:07 PM.
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SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Kid Gohan ~ Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) > SSJ2 Teen Gohan > SSJ2 Kid Gohan (50%)

Gohan didn't turn into a SSJ2 because he lacked the emotion. At first, he was confident;

Chapter: 462 (DBZ 268), P9.2, P11.3
Context: as Gohan and Kaioshin flee from Boo
Gohan: “It’s alright! I’m confident in my speed!”
*Boo quickly catches up to them*
Gohan: “…! Th-that can’t be…!”

Then it turned into incredulity, then desperation and fear. Gohan didn't have a chance to get angry and transform into a SSJ2.
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May 30 2013, 07:00 PM
SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Kid Gohan ~ Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) > SSJ2 Teen Gohan > SSJ2 Kid Gohan (50%)

Gohan didn't turn into a SSJ2 because he lacked the emotion. At first, he was confident;

Chapter: 462 (DBZ 268), P9.2, P11.3
Context: as Gohan and Kaioshin flee from Boo
Gohan: “It’s alright! I’m confident in my speed!”
*Boo quickly catches up to them*
Gohan: “…! Th-that can’t be…!”

Then it turned into incredulity, then desperation and fear. Gohan didn't have a chance to get angry and transform into a SSJ2.
He went SSJ2 like he could do it whenever he pleased. Against Kabito.
He tried to go Full Power and reach SSJ2 and the full extent of his Hidden Strength when firing at Buu's Egg.
But all he could manage was a fully powered up MSSJ.
He was angered and confident at that point.

So no, it's not to do with his emotions:

It's either a pure retcon with no explanation. Or something to do with how his Ki was taken by Babidi's men, that temporarily hampered his ability to go SSJ2.

And in my opinion:
SSJ2 Kid Gohan"At Cells Death" > SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan"Post Transformation" > Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Vegeta"Pre Majin" = SSJ2 Teen Gohan"Tournament"
Edited by Raiken, May 30 2013, 07:14 PM.
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Raiken
May 30 2013, 06:48 PM
Anyway, most people know that he was in fact MSSJ in those battles, so I don't need to explain it.


Your explanations wouldn’t be able to prove anything since there really is nothing concrete in the manga that supports this point of view.

You’re required to produce your own theories based on what you’ve observed that no one is forced to believe. The fact that any effort to have it work logically has lead to further confusion should already be very telling. Without the grounds of substantial evidence it can only ever amount to a favored fan-opinion.
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Wow, have you guys heard this guy, someone prove it to him please. Jesus...........
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If you're going to do so, post actual objective statements and evidence to prove your point.

What opinions you have on auras, I don't care for.

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He didn't use it because he was scared. When your scared you feel frozen and just want to leg it.
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A plot hole as I re-watched the scene. AT wanted to make Gohan weaker again so that fan's will get attracted to the story again, he also wanted to show how a mystic form is WAY ABOVE any Super Forms he has encountered.

Yes, he was fatigued. Stress is essential while transforming in to a higher level of power, but instead he was tired not angry/emotional.
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

To be entirely honest, the whole reason that Toriyama didn't use SSj2 in the series too religiously was because his editor told him that SSj2 looked too similar to the original.

However, his more recent depictions of Super Saiyan has both assumed SSj and SSj2 characteristics. His more recent Super Saiyan drawings have the over-all look of SSj, but with the aura sparks of SSj2.

Neko Majin is a perfect example of this:
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And the Daizenshuu does actually make note of an aura difference between SSj and FPSSj.
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May 31 2013, 03:59 AM
To be entirely honest, the whole reason that Toriyama didn't use SSj2 in the series too religiously was because his editor told him that SSj2 looked too similar to the original.


That honestly wouldn’t appear very evident in his work given their SSJ2 hairstyles are what became predominant later on (specifically in Gohan and Vegeta’s case), opposed to the other way around.

Citing your sources would probably make it more believable.
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The Prince of All Saiyans/Debaters.

The source you have provided is lately made.

As you said his recent drawings, not the one he thought off.

And plus, if he wanted to remove SSJ2, then adding SSJ3 would be a terrible idea!
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There is no retcon

Gohan wanted to impress Goku and didn't think he needed SSJ2 against Dabura.

Fat Buu gets released and Gohan is about to use he form only for Buu to power up so much that there was no point in going SSJ2 and wasting energy.

Gohan wanted to escape and MSSJ was enough for that.

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AT drew Gohan's hair and Aura like his MSSJ self not his SSJ2 self.
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Only Son Gohan's max power is enough to match Fat Boo (At Hatching).

Impressive, but put it in a spoiler so as not to stretch the page. ;)

Necidad.
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So Goku, or Vegeta, and definitely both--could have taken on Boo at hatching. Hmm.
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