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Gohan: Super Saiyan 2 VS Majin Buu; Why didn't he use it?
Topic Started: May 29 2013, 09:52 PM (8,841 Views)
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I could have sworn he thought nothing of initial Buu?
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May 30 2013, 02:41 AM
I could have sworn he thought nothing of initial Buu?
Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.6
Context: before the smoke forms into Boo
Gohan: “…N-no…A stupendous ki…A stupendous ki has swelled up…Th-this…”

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P3.5-7
Context: after Kaioshin says they must run from Boo
Gohan: “…Is that so?...He really does have tremendous ki, but…It doesn’t seem like so much so that there’s nothing I can do…[ ] …If I can only put out all of my true power…”

He thinks that he can win if he can "put out his true power," which I take to mean his SSJ2 Cell Games level, which is why I place initial Buu about equal to Super Perfect Cell.

It could also mean his current SSJ2 power.
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This is why I think the Budokai was a retcon. Gohan flat out states here that he can't turn into a SSJ 2, but he could an hour ago.

That aside, he still thought he could accomplish something before Buu hatched as well.
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Wait why do you guys say that Gohan was not a SSjin 2. What reason does Gohan have to hold it back? It's not like Goku with Vegeta, because goku gives a reason later on.
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May 30 2013, 03:24 AM
Wait why do you guys say that Gohan was not a SSjin 2. What reason does Gohan have to hold it back? It's not like Goku with Vegeta, because goku gives a reason later on.
Well he didn't have the SSJ 2 traits. He had the SSJ hair, and no lightning.

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P3.5-7
Context: after Kaioshin says they must run from Boo
Gohan: “…Is that so?...He really does have tremendous ki, but…It doesn’t seem like so much so that there’s nothing I can do…[ ] …If I can only put out all of my true power…”

Gohan says that he would have a chance if he could release his full power. For some reason he forgot how to use SSJ 2.
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How do you just forget how to use a form after an hour? Remember when he used it at the budokai?
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Yeah it's completely stupid, but for some reason he didn't know how to bring out his dormant power one hour later. There really isn't an explanation for it, and it almost seems like a toriyama forgot that Gohan transformed at the Budokai.
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Doesn't it make more sense for Gohan to simply be a SSjin 2 when nothing goes against it?
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Well he says himself that he can't use his SSJ 2 power. Also the traits of SSJ 2 aren't present.

As much as I'd love to make it that easy, it appears that he is not SSJ 2.
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Where does he say that he can't use SSjin 2? Plus, there's not much separating the SSjin form from SSjin 2 form honestly.
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Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

Goku tells him that he needs to draw his power out like he did against Cell, which should mean his SSJ 2 form. Goku telling Gohan he needs to get angry is a good clue for this since we know SSJ 2 requires anger.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…”

Gohan then says he is angry, but not like at the Cell games, which I take to mean that he cannot release his SSJ 2.
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He's just talking about the rage boosts that he got against Cell. Once you have unlocked the form, you no longer need anger to access it. He was not angry against Kibito, was he?
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Well it can be argued that he was after seeing the beating Videl took, although that is just an excuse to use. That's why people say it is a retcon.
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Well with Videl, that doesn't seem likely, because he is visibly smiling when he is talking to kibito.

Retcon?
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Retcon as in a change in the previous work. For example, Gohan could use SSJ 2 against Kibitio, but later the writing did not allow him to use it against Buu.
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