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Topic Started: May 29 2013, 06:54 PM (1,314 Views)
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May 29 2013, 09:29 PM
Uis hasn't presented much skill that's noteworthy. He may be an ancient being with status far above the gods, but that means little with the example I gave for Kaioshin. As for fighting Goku, he had the power advantage at every point, so that means little in terms of skill.

Piccolo didn't say Cell's Kamehameha was untrained, he noted as having realised why it "Wasn't that strong" due to Cell having obtained it from Saiyan Arc data.
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Uis hasn't presented much skill that's noteworthy. He may be an ancient being with status far above the gods, but that means little with the example I gave for Kaioshin. As for fighting Goku, he had the power advantage at every point, so that means little in terms of skill.


But taking into account that Whis trained Bills, doesn't this up Bills skills?

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Piccolo didn't say Cell's Kamehameha was untrained, he noted as having realised why it "Wasn't that strong" due to Cell having obtained it from Saiyan Arc data.


Yea that's what I meant Thanks :lol:
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Bills did the one thing none of these guys did, he beat Goku. And he beat Goku at an equal level since Bills was only at 70%. Since Bills beat the man at an equal level he should beat everyone else.
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May 29 2013, 11:44 PM
But taking into account that Whis trained Bills, doesn't this up Bills skills?
We have no idea how skilled Uis is, so that's still just a large assumption.
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Well most people say we need feats or statements to go off of, and it was stated that Whis is greatest martial arts master in the universe. So even without feats it should be enough since it's a statement from the movie.
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May 29 2013, 09:58 PM
Not really seeing what's so confusing with a blatant statement of "equal levels", but alright.
The equal levels part was easy (though I missed it the first time), but the part about regen wasn't well-expressed.

It would have been better to say "Buu, Cell and Omega Shenron can't regenerate"
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Well just becoz Wiss is the greatest martial art trainer , it doesnt mean he trained Bills very much

I heavily doubt how skilled is bills actually

I say that he only beats the Shadow Dragons .

The rest , i dont know , but Cell is an Absolute Murder .
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May 31 2013, 02:30 PM
Well just becoz Wiss is the greatest martial art trainer , it doesnt mean he trained Bills very much

I heavily doubt how skilled is bills actually

I say that he only beats the Shadow Dragons .

The rest , i dont know , but Cell is an Absolute Murder .
How is Cell a murder? He's not even a trained entity, he has no skills aside from those taken from most of the Z-Fighters and Frieza.
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May 31 2013, 02:33 PM
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Well just becoz Wiss is the greatest martial art trainer , it doesnt mean he trained Bills very much

I heavily doubt how skilled is bills actually

I say that he only beats the Shadow Dragons .

The rest , i dont know , but Cell is an Absolute Murder .
How is Cell a murder? He's not even a trained entity, he has no skills aside from those taken from most of the Z-Fighters and Frieza.
That is actually Great enough ... and im taking SPC [MSSj Goku's cells absorbed]
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All he displayed from Goku was IT, which is something Goku post Namek could do, and he probably remembered it after his body was regenerated, cause since he's also a Saiyan he is able to learn new style quickly.
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he adding Saiyan Saga Goku's cell can make CG Goku a run for his money [and get beaten] , taking CG Goku's cell will be monstrous
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Impossible read above DSB.
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Goku took a long time to perfect IT ... and Cell said that he absorbed MSSJ Goku's Cells

Saiyans dont learn things as quickly as Buu does
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May 31 2013, 02:27 PM
Well most people say we need feats or statements to go off of, and it was stated that Whis is greatest martial arts master in the universe. So even without feats it should be enough since it's a statement from the movie.
As far as the synopsis on Kanzenshuu shows, that's never stated. It's only stated that Uis is Birusu's master and the strongest in the 7th universe.
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Bills beat Goku at equal power. Everyone else on this list either lost or needed a lot more power to handle Goku.

Kid Buu won due to Goku being stupid and having regen and stamina.
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Birusu had far more reserves to rely on throughout most of the fight, and the only time in which they were definately at equal levels was during the last part of the battle. Plus, Super Saiyan God could only be used for a short time.
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