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Akira confirmed Cell's a Solar System Buster?
Topic Started: May 28 2013, 10:31 PM (8,568 Views)
NavonWise
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Pretty much...what he said..
Edited by NavonWise, May 29 2013, 01:09 AM.
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May 29 2013, 01:04 AM
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May 29 2013, 01:01 AM
I disagree. People brag, boast, and lie. Did you know I was the prince of Russia, and I have 9 wives? Each made of gold.
There's a massive difference between you lying about something like that (which can easily be proven as a lie) and an author making one of his characters say something without giving a single hint that it's a lie.

Everyone in the Manga is just a character being written by a real man. If Cell was real he could lie all the time and get away with it, but since every single bit of dialogue he ever has is written with thought put into it, then when he tells a lie the author should make sure we know it's a lie. Since Toriyama didn't add a single bit of dialogue or action that disproved Cell's claims we as fans have no reason to doubt what Toriyama said.

When you're making your readers guess if something is a lie or not then that's just bad writing.
Are you saying that authors do not create characters that are dishonest? I've got a bookshelf of about 200 books to my left that says otherwise. Authors use dishonesty all the time in writing. Dishonesty is a human trait. I have read numerous books, fiction and non fiction, that portray dishonest and boastful characters.

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Edited by Coolest, May 29 2013, 01:27 AM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

AT might have wrote the statement with the clear intention of actually believing Cell can indeed blow up a solar system but the actual evidence surrounding such a claim, before, then and after the statement contradicts it.
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I'm not saying no characters are dishonest, I'm saying that when a lie is told it is usually made obvious to the reader that it is a lie.

For example Mr Satan's lies are known lies because we see what really happened. We know Goku lied about not being able to beat Fat Buu because he later said it was a lie, but if he never claimed that was a lie we would have zero knowledge that he was lying and thus his statement would be as true as any other.

Characters can be dishonest, but you have to let the reader know when they're being dishonest, otherwise why should we think they are? If we have to guess that they're lying backed up by nothing then they're probably not lying.
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I don't believe there's any hard evidence disproving it.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

There's a certain point thought of how much honest and dishonesty has to be taken serious. For example if Freeza said he blew up 100 planets, we can take that at face value because its a understandable claim. We've seen Freeza blow up planets, being at a 100 is an understandable claim. But blowing up the solar system that's a big claim, the logic working around that just doesn't follow the statements and evidence we've seen in the series.

Maybe the solar system in the DBZverse is far smaller than that of the real world, especially when there is apparently only 4 galaxies in the series when there is of course millions in the real world. But the real solar system is huge, a massive light years construct and when we think of Cell destroying the solar system, we think of him in one shot, completely annihilating the sun and all 9 planets and everything in between. The biggest blast radius we've seen in the entire DBZverse wouldn't even give the real sun an itch.

It's a contradiction between statements and evidence. Probably unintentional on AT's part, but its something that is shown.
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Rule Number 1

All character statements are true, unless proven wrong, and are of equal value.

This just means that the author is using the character as a tool for his story, period. Whatever habitual performances said character has, has no relevance on if the character is right/wrong. If the character is right, nothing will contradict his statement. If the character is wrong, he is only wrong, because he has been proven wrong, or has been contradicted.

All statements are of equal value. When dealing with power, unless comments directly contradict each other, they should be used together. For instance, one quote suggest that Character A is >> Character B, and another comment suggests Character A ~ Character B, we should end up with the thought process that Character A > Character B is the fairest approach, taking both statements into account and splitting the difference, so to speak.
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I'm with Clearin and Navon with this, ultimately it's what Cell said so I'm rolling with it. When I'm reading something and a person lies, I need them to actually point it out else I'll just think they're telling the truth.
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I don't usually go with it tbh. I'm more of a feats type of person and no one has a feat even close to what Cell claimed he could do to back it up. It's really a matter of opinion though, Cell never did it so whether you believe him or not is entirely up to you.
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May 29 2013, 03:18 AM
When I'm reading something and a person lies, I need them to actually point it out else I'll just think they're telling the truth.
It has to be like that in my opinion. Look at some examples, Frieza states he was the strongest in the universe. Did we disagree with him? No, because nothing contradicted his statement UNTIL Goku whopped his behind. Vegeta was the first to state Gohan's incredible hidden potential MAY BE because of his mixed blood; in fact, he said "probably", the guy was just guessing and as you can see, we ate it all up and never doubt his words. Why? Because nothing contradicted his statement. That's how stories work; a statement is made and if something else doesn't contradict that statement, then it becomes a fact. At the moment, there is NOTHING in the manga that says Cell was arrogant and lied about his statement. The question is not whether this feat is logical or not, the question is, is Cell's statement contradicted? If so, where are they?
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May 29 2013, 01:52 AM
Maybe the solar system in the DBZverse is far smaller than that of the real world, especially when there is apparently only 4 galaxies in the series when there is of course millions in the real world. But the real solar system is huge, a massive light years construct and when we think of Cell destroying the solar system, we think of him in one shot, completely annihilating the sun and all 9 planets and everything in between. The biggest blast radius we've seen in the entire DBZverse wouldn't even give the real sun an itch.

It's a contradiction between statements and evidence. Probably unintentional on AT's part, but its something that is shown.
Herms' said that the Term "Galaxy" is not a full-proof translation .

Japanese doesnt have a Plural in that sort

it means that The North galaxy is actually North Galaxies
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I think the fact that Kid Buu couldn't bust the solar system means Cell couldn't do it.

Cell is destroying the Solar System by the chain reaction of destroying Earth and then supernova the sun or something to that effect.

Kid but is a multi star system buster by the chain reaction of quickly blowing up planets with a little of his energy.

If Cell was a Solar System buster than Buuhan and Omega's balls that got kicked into space should have destroyed the earth still shouldn't they?
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It's likely the more the energy is spread out the less potent it is. Like if you wanted to destroy the Planet with an Area of Effect attack like that.
Vegeta wanted it a big enough area to make sure Buu couldn't escape, but potent enough to completely vaporise him.
Potency diminishes with Area of Effect.

You know Vegeta's Galick Gun attack in the Saiyan Saga that was around 50'000 that was apparently going to destroy the earth.
I don't think that would be powerful enough to "blow up the earth" so to speak. But it would destroy it in the sense it would become uninhabitable.
"P.S: Destroying Aria was Filler and all, if you think of that."

I wonder when people start to become Planet Busters, to the point they could actually make the Earth Explode rather quickly, when firing a full power attack towards the Planets Core.
I mean we know Kid Buu effortlessly destroyed Earth.
But 70% Freeza tried to destroy Namek, he did, but it took quite a while for the planet to gradually crumble apart, and blow up. While he did hold back his power a lot apparently, but still.
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NavonWise
May 29 2013, 01:57 AM
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Rule Number 1

All character statements are true, unless proven wrong, and are of equal value.

This just means that the author is using the character as a tool for his story, period. Whatever habitual performances said character has, has no relevance on if the character is right/wrong. If the character is right, nothing will contradict his statement. If the character is wrong, he is only wrong, because he has been proven wrong, or has been contradicted.

All statements are of equal value. When dealing with power, unless comments directly contradict each other, they should be used together. For instance, one quote suggest that Character A is >> Character B, and another comment suggests Character A ~ Character B, we should end up with the thought process that Character A > Character B is the fairest approach, taking both statements into account and splitting the difference, so to speak.
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8612685&t=8394720
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If those rules weren't made by a fan, they'd hold more ground.

There's no logical way that Cell can destroy a Solar System. Even if it's much, much smaller in the Z-verse. It's just impossible, even via Supernova.

The only character who's able to 'bust' a Solar System would be Bills, and that's because he's the God of Destruction. Chances are he can't just blow up a Solar System or Galaxy, it's through magic.

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May 29 2013, 12:09 AM
I'm not talking about statements but what Akira said in his data books.


It doesn't exist.

And I couldn't imagine such a topic ever being brought up outside of a fan forum.
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