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Akira confirmed Cell's a Solar System Buster?
Topic Started: May 28 2013, 10:31 PM (8,566 Views)
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Now I'm not exactly sure but I viewed a comment on screw attack, saying that the author of the DBZ manga, said Cell's a solar System buster.

I was wondering if any of you own a one of the 3 latest data books could you enlighten me on this claim?
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Toriyama pretty much confirms this by not contradicting Cell's claim. Unless Majin Vegeta self-destructing and not destroying the Earth proves Cell is not a galaxy buster; but then again, does that make Frieza more powerful than Vegeta because he could not blow up the Earth?
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May 28 2013, 10:42 PM
Toriyama pretty much confirms this by not contradicting Cell's claim. Unless Majin Vegeta self-destructing and not destroying the Earth proves Cell is not a galaxy buster; but then again, does that make Frieza more powerful than Vegeta because he could not blow up the Earth?
I can attempt to explain that: Vegeta's self-destruct was aimed to hit one area containing Buu whilst the likes of Frieza and Cell would aim to shoot through the ground aiming for the planet's core.
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I don't think you can control where you're going to hit while self-destructing, but if it's possible, it works I guess.
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He stated it in the Manga itself.

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!”
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I see the terms "Galaxy buster" and "Solor system buster" and "planet buster" used a lot on these boards, and I've never seen them used on any other DBZ forum. What does that mean?
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It means exactly that, if you're a planet buster, you can bust a planet, etc.
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Unless you want to assume that the DBZverse has a smaller solar system than normal, it is an impossibility for anyone in DBZ to bust a solar system. Cell could fire directly at the sun, make it go supernova and that still wouldn't be enough to destroy the solar system. People must understand that the solar system is massive, light years kind of massive. The it would take hours for the blast radius itself to reach the far end of the solar system at lights peed (and we know none of the attacks are at light speed) and nobody in the series has ever committed an attack that ranged to that level.

Whether AT meant it as confidence with Cell or just wasn't thinking, Cell's not doing it.

Chibi Boo hits the earth with an attack multi stronger than Zenkai Perfect Cell, that didn't create a solar destroying explosion. I think there's a certain aspect where the size of a blast radius will not match up to the density of the power inside of it. We see it multiple times, nobodyever makes a blast radius bigger than a planet. In fact the explosion of the planet is usually bigger than the blast radius of the attack itself.

Look at the Genki Dama against Freeza and the one against Boo. In relative terms, the Genki Dama against Boo was hardly larger than the one against Freeza, not enough to really put into much point. Yet the one against Boo held a tone more power density inside of it. That's what matters, the density and pressure of the ki inside the attack. Cell may or may not have the density in his attack to destroy the solar system but he definitely have the radius inside his attack. Most likely if someone tried to use a ki attack and destroy the entire area of the solar system, the density of it would die out as it spread out until it could no longer hold its form.
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I'm not talking about statements but what Akira said in his data books.
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Its Chain reaction. If Cell hit the sun or a star or something that would blow up and start a huge chain in the solar system, which could potentially destroy it.
The Kamehameha is a wave. It wouldn't even explode after it hits its max range, it'd just die out. Theres no way it could destroy the galaxy, unless it hits something thats gonna go boom.
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Unless you want to assume that the DBZverse has a smaller solar system than normal, it is an impossibility for anyone in DBZ to bust a solar system. Cell could fire directly at the sun, make it go supernova and that still wouldn't be enough to destroy the solar system. People must understand that the solar system is massive, light years kind of massive. The it would take hours for the blast radius itself to reach the far end of the solar system at lights peed (and we know none of the attacks are at light speed) and nobody in the series has ever committed an attack that ranged to that level.

Whether AT meant it as confidence with Cell or just wasn't thinking, Cell's not doing it.

Chibi Boo hits the earth with an attack multi stronger than Zenkai Perfect Cell, that didn't create a solar destroying explosion. I think there's a certain aspect where the size of a blast radius will not match up to the density of the power inside of it. We see it multiple times, nobodyever makes a blast radius bigger than a planet. In fact the explosion of the planet is usually bigger than the blast radius of the attack itself.

Look at the Genki Dama against Freeza and the one against Boo. In relative terms, the Genki Dama against Boo was hardly larger than the one against Freeza, not enough to really put into much point. Yet the one against Boo held a tone more power density inside of it. That's what matters, the density and pressure of the ki inside the attack. Cell may or may not have the density in his attack to destroy the solar system but he definitely have the radius inside his attack. Most likely if someone tried to use a ki attack and destroy the entire area of the solar system, the density of it would die out as it spread out until it could no longer hold its form.
So basically, Toriyama doesn't know what he's talking about in his own series? Look, nothing contradicts Cell's statement; if he said he can do it and nothing contradicts it, no matter how illogical it sounds, he can do it.
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May 28 2013, 11:59 PM
Unless you want to assume that the DBZverse has a smaller solar system than normal, it is an impossibility for anyone in DBZ to bust a solar system. Cell could fire directly at the sun, make it go supernova and that still wouldn't be enough to destroy the solar system. People must understand that the solar system is massive, light years kind of massive. The it would take hours for the blast radius itself to reach the far end of the solar system at lights peed (and we know none of the attacks are at light speed) and nobody in the series has ever committed an attack that ranged to that level.

Whether AT meant it as confidence with Cell or just wasn't thinking, Cell's not doing it.

Chibi Boo hits the earth with an attack multi stronger than Zenkai Perfect Cell, that didn't create a solar destroying explosion. I think there's a certain aspect where the size of a blast radius will not match up to the density of the power inside of it. We see it multiple times, nobodyever makes a blast radius bigger than a planet. In fact the explosion of the planet is usually bigger than the blast radius of the attack itself.

Look at the Genki Dama against Freeza and the one against Boo. In relative terms, the Genki Dama against Boo was hardly larger than the one against Freeza, not enough to really put into much point. Yet the one against Boo held a tone more power density inside of it. That's what matters, the density and pressure of the ki inside the attack. Cell may or may not have the density in his attack to destroy the solar system but he definitely have the radius inside his attack. Most likely if someone tried to use a ki attack and destroy the entire area of the solar system, the density of it would die out as it spread out until it could no longer hold its form.
So basically, Toriyama doesn't know what he's talking about in his own series? Look, nothing contradicts Cell's statement; if he said he can do it and nothing contradicts it, no matter how illogical it sounds, he can do it.
You've never heard of bragging? Boasting? Just because someone says they can bench 500 lbs doesn't mean they can LOL.

I'm an astronomy major in college. The solar system is..absurdly large. 9.09 Billion KM in diameter, to be exact. A supernova would not even destroy the planets in our solar system. It would freeze them. The lack of a sun = dead planets essentially, but they would not "explode".

So no, I don't think any character in the DBZ series could even come "close" to exploding the entire solar system with one energy blast. That is beyond ludicrous.

I mean, think about it. In no circumstance have we seen a single person destroy an entire planet at one time with the exception of vague descriptions of saiyans being able to do it.

But do you even REMOTELY comprehend the distance between planets? The distance between Jupiter and Saturn is like..1000000 of those planets. Then the planet. Then 100,000 more planets worth of empty space between the next. I mean..lol.
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....this is a fantasy story, the universe of which these characters exist in might not follow the same rules as in the real world; they got a K9 as king of the Earth for Kami-sama sake! What evidence do you have Cell was bragging? Again, if a statement was made in the series and nothing says otherwise, it means it's true.
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I disagree. People brag, boast, and lie. Did you know I was the prince of Russia, and I have 9 wives? Each made of gold.
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I disagree. People brag, boast, and lie. Did you know I was the prince of Russia, and I have 9 wives? Each made of gold.
There's a massive difference between you lying about something like that (which can easily be proven as a lie) and an author making one of his characters say something without giving a single hint that it's a lie.

Everyone in the Manga is just a character being written by a real man. If Cell was real he could lie all the time and get away with it, but since every single bit of dialogue he ever has is written with thought put into it, then when he tells a lie the author should make sure we know it's a lie. Since Toriyama didn't add a single bit of dialogue or action that disproved Cell's claims we as fans have no reason to doubt what Toriyama said.

When you're making your readers guess if something is a lie or not then that's just bad writing.
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