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Timelines 2 & 3 - The Future
Topic Started: May 28 2013, 02:48 PM (568 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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Now, this topic's gonna be an overview of these timelines and my placements during them.

Timeline 2

In this timeline, Goku uses his Shunkan Ido technique to intercept Freeza once he arrives on Earth. He then proceeds to defeat both Freeza and his father, King Cold. Two and a half years after, he contracts a heart virus and dies. Six months after this, two deadly androids appear. Now, there are two opinions you could take on this.

Trunks tells Goku that two androids appear on May 12th at 10:00 am, on an island nine miles south-west of South City. These could be either #19 and #20, or #17 and #18. As Trunks wasn't there, the former option is possible. Especially considering that the Future Androids made themselves known on the same island as they did in the Present. How they would be defeated is up to debate. Perhaps Future Vegeta, as a Super Saiyan, defeated #19 and bluffed #20 as he did in canon. All that would be known is that #20 escaped and woke up #17 and #18, the former ending up killing him. The Z-Fighters, bar Gohan, all perish in the ensuing battle, which could be the highway battle we see in the present timeline.

Gohan escapes and ends up training Trunks. He faces the androids alone and is killed. When Trunks returns to the future after defeating Freeza, he undertakes intense training, managing to keep the gap in power between himself and Goku relatively the same. After he returns the second time, he disposes of the Androids.

This is what I've been working with for the past few days.

Mirai #18 : 1,750,000,000
Mirai #17 : 2,000,000,000

Trunks (Base) : 5,950,000,000
(SSJ) : 59,500,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 8,000,000,000

From what we're given, we can conclude that Imperfect Cell >> Mirai Androids and that Imperfect Cell > Base Trunks, assuming that Cell bothered to read Trunks' ki.

So,

SSJ Trunks >>> Imperfect Cell > Base Trunks > Mirai Androids

As for why Trunks transformed into a SSJ to deal with the Androids, there are several different options;

1) He was pragmatic. No matter how simple it would be, he didn't want to leave any possibility of failure
2) He wanted the androids to truly feel helpless, as they'd made him feel his entire life.

Imperfect Cell - I think I place him equal to his present, strongest self because there's no other closer comparison. He's stronger than the Mirai Androids by quite a bit, so it's easier to put him at a place I know rather than pull out a random number and slap it on him.

Timeline 3

In this timeline, Trunks returned after he and Krillin had raided Gero's lab and gotten the plans for #17. This timeline's Bulma created a device to turn off the Androids, and Trunks did just that. A little while after, Trunks prepared for the trip back to tell everyone of his success. However. he's killed by Cell, who steals the time machine and travels to the past.

In this timeline, Cell easily dispatches of Trunks, leading me to believe that he's also at a similar level to the others.

Trunks (Base) : 100,000,000
(SSJ) : 1,000,000,000

Cell had no trouble with him, suggesting that he's at least got a 2x advantage. He'd also be above the Mirai Androids, as the Cell in Timeline 2 is, so I put him at 8,000,000,000

Your thoughts?
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I feel something odd about ur Hypothesis of Timeline 2

Assuming The Present timeline and Future timeline's incidents were identical [except Goku] , we can assume that Gohan survived becoz he delivered Bulma and trunks safely back to Capsule Corp.
That means that , just like present timeline , Bulma went with trunks to see The Androids come and saw #20

Then , she later saw the Other 2 androids [17 and 18] on TV while they were terrorizing the planet .

If this is the case , why didnt Bulma tell trunks about #19 and #20 ? Why didnt tunnks know about them ?

As for the androids and Cell's power , we can say that Present Androids > Untouched Future [timeline 2 and 3] Androids .

This means that Present Unborn Cell would have been stronger than Timeline 3's Cell [who would be about equal to Timeline 2's Cell ]

Now . If 16 was correct , Weighted Kamiccolo Rivaled #17 and #18
And Imperfect Cell [Gingertown] would not be Much weaker than Weighted Kamiccolo . So he is also close to Present Androids

Then , Post Human Absorption Imperfect Cell became so powerful that he Tanked Unweighted Kamiccolo's Amplified Attack .

How did he get so powerful ? He absorbed a lot [probably thousands] of Humans in Present Earth .

My argument for Timeline 2's Imperfect Cell not being So powerful is that the Future Androids wiped out most of Earth's population in their 18 Years of Rampage . While its true that they were gone 3 years before Cell arrived , u must remember that Earth's Population [dwindled to just a few thousands] needed much much more time to go back to Present Earth's Population . So it means that they remained in the range of Thousands in 3 years .
So , Cell cant possibly absorb so many people as he did in Present earth . And since Future Androids were weaker than Present ones , he would not need so much power to absorb them .

That would mean that the gaps will not be as much as u state

U said :

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Mirai #18 : 1,750,000,000
Mirai #17 : 2,000,000,000

Trunks (Base) : 5,950,000,000
(SSJ) : 59,500,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 8,000,000,000


I would place the androids at the same level as u have .
Base trunks will be much weaker . I will keep him at about 3,950,000,000
SSj Trunks becomes 59,250,000,000 [i will take SSj = 15x for Trunks for many reasons]

Imperfect Cell Becomes 4,650,000,000

and Post Humans Imperfect Cell Goes Up to 8,500,000,000

Timeline 3
 
In this timeline, Trunks returned after he and Krillin had raided Gero's lab and gotten the plans for #17. This timeline's Bulma created a device to turn off the Androids, and Trunks did just that. A little while after, Trunks prepared for the trip back to tell everyone of his success. However. he's killed by Cell, who steals the time machine and travels to the past.


How did Adult Future Trunks go with Future Krillin to get #17's plans when Krillin was long dead? :lol:

As for Initial Timeline 3's Imperfect Cell's power , my previous argument comes in,
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It is stated Cell steals the time machine, not kills him. Watching the Cell saga ATM.
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What about timeline 4? The one which the Trunks from timeline 3 went back to in order to get the shut-down remote?
"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"
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After a while this is all making my head spin. But thanks for the efforts of writing it all out guys.
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May 28 2013, 06:03 PM
It is stated Cell steals the time machine, not kills him. Watching the Cell saga ATM.
The manga states he killed Trunks.
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May 28 2013, 02:48 PM
Timeline 3

In this timeline, Trunks returned after he and Krillin had raided Gero's lab and gotten the plans for #17. This timeline's Bulma created a device to turn off the Androids, and Trunks did just that. A little while after, Trunks prepared for the trip back to tell everyone of his success. However. he's killed by Cell, who steals the time machine and travels to the past.

In this timeline, Cell easily dispatches of Trunks, leading me to believe that he's also at a similar level to the others.

Trunks (Base) : 100,000,000
(SSJ) : 1,000,000,000

Cell had no trouble with him, suggesting that he's at least got a 2x advantage. He'd also be above the Mirai Androids, as the Cell in Timeline 2 is, so I put him at 8,000,000,000

Your thoughts?
Trunks set the time machine to go back one year before Frieza first appeared on Earth. Why would he go that far after he raided Gero's lab?
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Navon, man.. Please don't double post. Mulitquote if you have to.

In the anime, there was a flashback that showed Trunks dead from Cell killing him. So it's shown and stated in the anime while it's stated in the manga.
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Whoops, my bad, is it possible to merge my two posts?
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Here's my theory

In our timeline: 19 and 20 showed up instead of 17 and 18 because Gero wanted the personal satisfaction of killing Goku himself.

In the future timeline:

Gero must've ascertained that Goku succumbed to the heart virus. As a result of his greatest opponent now deceased, it's possible for Gero to decrease the powers of 17 and 18 not thinking it to be necessary anymore.

Overconfident with his work, Gero orders 17 and 18 to destroy the island. However, the revisions to 17 and 18 inadvertenly mentally scarred the cyborgs making them evilly insane. As a result, they killed everyone as soon as they were re-activated -- Gero, 19, encased 16, Z fighters etc.
We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.
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