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Android Saga Gaps
Topic Started: May 27 2013, 01:30 AM (606 Views)
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Kamiccolo 1,500
Android 17 1,500
Android 18 1,400
Kamiccolo ( Weighted ) 1,350
Imperfect Cell 1,200
Android 18 ( Holding Back ) 1,050
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,000
Super Saiyan Goku 950
Super Saiyan Trunks 875
Piccolo 750
Android 20 Post 650
Android 19 Post 500
Ssj Goku ( Sick ) 475
Android 20 300
Android 19 250
Vegeta 200
Goku 190
Trunks 175
Piccolo ( Suppressed ) 150
Gohan 75
Kuririn 50
Tenshinhan 45
Yamcha 40
Edited by p123, Jun 1 2013, 04:39 PM.
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Vegeta / Trunks = 92%
Piccolo / Gero = 90%

Piccolo owned Gero. Trunks could fight "fairly well" against Vegeta based on comparisons with the androids.

But their gaps are only 2% apart?
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Personally I think that 17 should be closer to Kamiccolo, and weighted Kamiccolo should be closer to 18. I would also be fine with moving the super Saiyans down by 25 each, but that is just me. Good gaps.
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Tenshinhan is 67% of Krillin, while Gero is 90% of Piccolo and Vegeta is 78% of #18. Why is this?
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Sure I don't see an issue with that.

Trunks says the androids were stronger in this timeline than his. This Vegeta > Future Androids. Trunks absolutely could not fight fairly well against Vegeta imo. He's get manhandled.

I think Kamiccolo should be stronger. He thinks 17's punches are weak. Piccolo is probably more power weighted than 17 since 17 is a bit faster than Kamiccolo.

Since this is a power level thread unfortunately Kamiccolo is going to be superior , if this was a speed level chart 17 would be superior.



I'm trying to make Kuririn > Tenshinhan work.

Yes I have Gero at 90% of Piccolo. Enough to get manhandled quickly but not enough to completely obliterate him in seconds.

What's the problem with Vegeta at 78% of 18?
Edited by p123, May 27 2013, 01:43 AM.
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May 27 2013, 01:41 AM
Sure I don't see an issue with that.

Trunks says the androids were stronger in this timeline than his. This Vegeta > Future Androids. Trunks absolutely could not fight fairly well against Vegeta imo. He's get manhandled.
Trunks was amazed at Vegeta's display of power, being able to fight so apparently well against #18. He said himself that he could fight "fairly well" against his androids. If that's the case, he can also fight "fairly well" against Vegeta, no?

Edit: The problem is the gap between Krillin and Tenshinhan is bigger than the one between Vegeta and #18, and the one between Piccolo and Gero. Why? Piccolo easily handled Gero after removing his weights and would've decimated him had there not been distractions, and Vegeta got straight-up owned once #18 took him more seriously.
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Agreed with Piccolo being stronger but slower, although I'd have a smaller gap. Doesn't really matter though.

Never mind, no problem with the SSJs. Didn't even check the calculator, just did some poor math in my head. :p
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Trunks couldn't fight fairly well with Vegeta.

Trunks thinks Present > Future.

How much smaller can I make the gap yet make it noticeable? I already have 17 at 97% of Kamiccolo. If I make it any tighter his punches wouldn't feel weak.


Kuririn is the strongest human after 7 years of Tenshinhan training and Kuririn not training. That's way larger than any of those other gaps.
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Well I have Vegeta close to the future androids, and if Trunks could fight two at once decently, I can see him putting up a fight similar to Goku vs Cell against Vegeta.
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May 27 2013, 01:47 AM
Trunks couldn't fight fairly well with Vegeta.

Trunks thinks Present > Future.

How much smaller can I make the gap yet make it noticeable? I already have 17 at 97% of Kamiccolo. If I make it any tighter his punches wouldn't feel weak.
Prove it.
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Trunks 1,150 fights fairly well against the Androids who are 1,200.

He sees Vegeta fight good against 18 and is amazed by Vegeta.

He later finds out that the Androids are stronger than in his timeline when he attempts to fight them.
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p123
May 27 2013, 01:47 AM
Trunks couldn't fight fairly well with Vegeta.

Trunks thinks Present > Future.
He doesn't think that until Vegeta starts to get owned. Prior to that, his only reaction to Vegeta fighting 'on par' with 18 is that Vegeta's amazing enough to match 18. No mention of an abnormality in the 'droid's strength is noted. Vegeta >=< Mirai 18. Neither of them (Vegeta and Trunks) are too far apart from Goku according to Tenshinhan. Trunks should at least be able to give both of his superiors a match. Now, I don't really have a problem with the gaps you gave them, but when compared to the gap you put between Piccolo and Gero, it's a bit problematic.

Weighted Piccolo should also be rivaling 17, but that gap is even bigger than your Piccolo/Gero one (around 88% as opposed to 90%).
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May 27 2013, 01:53 AM
He sees Vegeta fight good against 18 and is amazed by Vegeta.
He was amazed that Vegeta could fight on par, which he couldn't do. It doesn't mean Vegeta has to manhandle him.
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May 27 2013, 01:47 AM
Kuririn is the strongest human after 7 years of Tenshinhan training and Kuririn not training. That's way larger than any of those other gaps.
I thought you went with Tenshinhan > Kuririn during the Boo arc?
Edited by Kyouks, May 27 2013, 03:41 AM.
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Alright I gave this another go. Check out the OP edit.

Playing around with a 5x boost to make Gero's statements work.
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