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How much stronger is perfect cell than frieza at 100%
Topic Started: May 26 2013, 02:00 PM (9,543 Views)
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Jun 1 2013, 01:54 AM
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May 31 2013, 06:32 PM
Come one Prove that weakling is stronger than SPC comeon ....she doesnt even have ssj ... <_<
-She knocked down Rilld, someone stronger than Boo, with Trunks even noting that she was possibly stronger than him.
-She recieved no damage from SSJ Goten Baby, despite not fighting back at all.
-Her Kamehameha almost defeated Liu Xing Long, who was able to compete with Base Goku, who at the time was far stronger than his Baby Arc self, who was already above Gohan Boo.
-She mocked Qi Xing Long's speed, despite him being strong enough to withstand attacks from SS4 Goku, and being absorbed by him allowed Qi to get to a level where he could thrash SS4 Goku once Goku had lost Shouki and Yuuki.
-Toriyama apparently didn't know how to design a female SSJ, plus, Toei seemed to prefer Base Saiyans (Goku fought in base for far more than twice the time he used SSJ forms other than SS4).

Oh yes, someone with a lot to place them well over the majority of DBZ characters, and fully above any of them by the time of the Evil Dragon Arc wouldn't measure up to much more than a 9,000 BP. -_-;
I think he meant, prove that she is stronger than 9000 in DBZ, not DBGT.....
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Stay on topic, guys :p

And exponentially more powerful to answer the OP. The rate of increase in power level in this show gets so out of control that there are vast gulfs of difference in power between sagas.
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May 31 2013, 11:37 PM
I know you said you were done, but meh, I was bored.
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May 31 2013, 07:40 AM
ithink having *5000 and more as a gap is ridiculous
Vegeta could stomp dodoria with a 1.2 gap ..
Furthermore if cell is more than *5000 times stronger than frieza that would mean that MSSJ gohan is also *3500 times stronger than frieza ..
hmmm Dont forget that frieza was somewhere *10 times stronger than Nail ....and he beat the crap outta him
In my opinion Cell's max is *10times stonger than frieza's ....
REASON:it is not necessary to create such a big gaps,being 10 times stronger means simple roflstomp....
It doesn't matter whether or not 10x or 5x or 2x is enough to 'roflstomp' an opponent. The difference between Cell and Freeza isn't determined by how well Cell can stomp Freeza, because then I could just say there's a 1.2x difference between them both. The difference between them is determined by the differences between everyone above Freeza and below Cell.
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May 31 2013, 02:45 PM
I am not sayin that we have to use 1.001 gaps ..for stomps
But look this ..
BoZ goku ~1000
EoZ goku 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Now tell me if it is not weird
Firstly, no one's going to end up with such a figure. You're blowing it out of proportion in order to make it look
more ridiculous than it is. Secondly, why does it matter if you find it weird? Say you work with the gaps implied and made a list, and you end up gauging Cell to be a few hundred times stronger than Freeza. So what? At least your result is more reliable than the guesses that you're pulling out of thin air right now.

Just to spell things out about the whole 'big gap' thing, keeping things as small as I can (if you have the patience to read it all):

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frieza is 120000000 because he was supposed to be the LAST arcvillain ....
thats why thers a 1000 gap between them



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-She knocked down Rilld, someone stronger than Boo, with Trunks even noting that she was possibly stronger than him.
-She recieved no damage from SSJ Goten Baby, despite not fighting back at all.
-Her Kamehameha almost defeated Liu Xing Long, who was able to compete with Base Goku, who at the time was far stronger than his Baby Arc self, who was already above Gohan Boo.
-She mocked Qi Xing Long's speed, despite him being strong enough to withstand attacks from SS4 Goku, and being absorbed by him allowed Qi to get to a level where he could thrash SS4 Goku once Goku had lost Shouki and Yuuki.
-Toriyama apparently didn't know how to design a female SSJ, plus, Toei seemed to prefer Base Saiyans (Goku fought in base for far more than twice the time he used SSJ forms other than SS4).

Oh yes, someone with a lot to place them well over the majority of DBZ characters, and fully above any of them by the time of the Evil Dragon Arc wouldn't measure up to much more than a 9,000 BP.

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Well Tenshinhan got a damn fine kick by Buuhan and survived ..so that supposed to mean that he is at least super buu level?
plus PoPo can deal with two MSSJ so that d mean that he is Equal to them?? ..hmmm
Edited by Pointer, Jun 1 2013, 10:38 AM.

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I have every Year goku getting 1.5x times stronger.
That means yardrat goku is stronger than than namek goku by 2.25x Times(SSJ multiplier slows down by x5 each year ,So Yardrat Goku's ssj multiplier is 45x)
3,000,000 x 2.25 = 6,750,000
6,750,000 x 45 = 303,750,000
As you can see here,goku (Yardrat saga) is 2.53 times stronger than Frieza.
Once again goku trains for 3 years,which boost his power by 4.5x and lowers his SSJ Multiplier by 15:
6,750,000 x 4.5 = 30,375,000
30,375,000 x 30 = 911,250,000
Android saga goku is stronger than Frieza than frieza by 7.59 times.
I have 1 year training in the Rosat room equals 3 years:
That means goku is 4.5 stronger
his SSJ multiplier is 25x
30,375,000 x 4.5 = 136,687,500
136,687,500 x 25 = 3,417,187,500
Cell games saga goku won't need to beat SSJ to beat frieza.
I have goku's full power at third of cell's full strength:
3,417,187,500 x 3 = 10,251,562,500
10,251,562,500 / 120,000,000 = 85.42
So there you are,I have FP cell is 85.42 times stronger than Frieza.
Also for SPC:
I have Gohan slightly above Goku,I'd put him at 3,700,000,000.
I have SSJ2 Gohan 2x stronger than FP cell who is 3x stronger than goku.
So Gohan is 20,503,125,000
Gohan is 170.84 times stronger Than Frieza.
Cell is like 0.10 stronger than gohan:
20,503,125,000 + 2,050,312,500 = 22,553,437,500
22,553,437,500 / 120,000,000 = 187.94(188)
SPC is 188 times stronger than 100% Frieza

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Jun 1 2013, 10:02 AM
Well Tenshinhan got a damn fine kick by Buuhan and survived ..so that supposed to mean that he is at least super buu level?
plus PoPo can deal with two MSSJ so that d mean that he is Equal to them?? ..hmmm
Taking no damage =/= Inconsistent survival feats. By your logic, any successes in tanking are relatively the same as survival feats, which is just plain ridiculous.
And Popo obviously gained a Toei hax in that situation, along with the kids likely being nerfed given how #18 held her own against them in previous filler, so that too is a poor example.
Dude, stop doing this. Unless you're referring to Z Pan (who still has enough to easily place her above a 9,000 BP) then it's obvious that Pan is far stronger than you give her credit for. Don't be biased just because you hate her, it shows a large inability to ignore proof.
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And Popo obviously gained a Toei hax in that situation, along with the kids likely being nerfed given how #18 held her own against them in previous filler, so that too is a poor example.

Well ...GT is made by tha same team :)
but yeah lets stop this we ve discussed what we wanted to...
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Erm, last time I checked, I have FPPC 2,800x-ish stronger than 100% Freeza
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Kyouka Suigetsu
May 31 2013, 11:37 PM
I know you said you were done, but meh, I was bored.
Abyss
May 31 2013, 07:40 AM
ithink having *5000 and more as a gap is ridiculous
Vegeta could stomp dodoria with a 1.2 gap ..
Furthermore if cell is more than *5000 times stronger than frieza that would mean that MSSJ gohan is also *3500 times stronger than frieza ..
hmmm Dont forget that frieza was somewhere *10 times stronger than Nail ....and he beat the crap outta him
In my opinion Cell's max is *10times stonger than frieza's ....
REASON:it is not necessary to create such a big gaps,being 10 times stronger means simple roflstomp....
It doesn't matter whether or not 10x or 5x or 2x is enough to 'roflstomp' an opponent. The difference between Cell and Freeza isn't determined by how well Cell can stomp Freeza, because then I could just say there's a 1.2x difference between them both. The difference between them is determined by the differences between everyone above Freeza and below Cell.
Abyss
May 31 2013, 02:45 PM
I am not sayin that we have to use 1.001 gaps ..for stomps
But look this ..
BoZ goku ~1000
EoZ goku 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Now tell me if it is not weird
Firstly, no one's going to end up with such a figure. You're blowing it out of proportion in order to make it look
more ridiculous than it is. Secondly, why does it matter if you find it weird? Say you work with the gaps implied and made a list, and you end up gauging Cell to be a few hundred times stronger than Freeza. So what? At least your result is more reliable than the guesses that you're pulling out of thin air right now.

Just to spell things out about the whole 'big gap' thing, keeping things as small as I can (if you have the patience to read it all):

Spoiler: click to toggle
frieza is 120000000 because he was supposed to be the LAST arcvillain ....
thats why thers a 1000 gap between them
Doesn't matter what he was supposed to be because in the end, he wasn't. In the end, both are just supervillains, so whatever exception you feel like giving Freeza applies to Cell (and Boo) as well.
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Jun 1 2013, 10:02 AM
Kyouka Suigetsu
May 31 2013, 11:37 PM
I know you said you were done, but meh, I was bored.
Abyss
May 31 2013, 07:40 AM
ithink having *5000 and more as a gap is ridiculous
Vegeta could stomp dodoria with a 1.2 gap ..
Furthermore if cell is more than *5000 times stronger than frieza that would mean that MSSJ gohan is also *3500 times stronger than frieza ..
hmmm Dont forget that frieza was somewhere *10 times stronger than Nail ....and he beat the crap outta him
In my opinion Cell's max is *10times stonger than frieza's ....
REASON:it is not necessary to create such a big gaps,being 10 times stronger means simple roflstomp....
It doesn't matter whether or not 10x or 5x or 2x is enough to 'roflstomp' an opponent. The difference between Cell and Freeza isn't determined by how well Cell can stomp Freeza, because then I could just say there's a 1.2x difference between them both. The difference between them is determined by the differences between everyone above Freeza and below Cell.
Abyss
May 31 2013, 02:45 PM
I am not sayin that we have to use 1.001 gaps ..for stomps
But look this ..
BoZ goku ~1000
EoZ goku 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Now tell me if it is not weird
Firstly, no one's going to end up with such a figure. You're blowing it out of proportion in order to make it look
more ridiculous than it is. Secondly, why does it matter if you find it weird? Say you work with the gaps implied and made a list, and you end up gauging Cell to be a few hundred times stronger than Freeza. So what? At least your result is more reliable than the guesses that you're pulling out of thin air right now.

Just to spell things out about the whole 'big gap' thing, keeping things as small as I can (if you have the patience to read it all):

Spoiler: click to toggle
frieza is 120000000 because he was supposed to be the LAST arcvillain ....
thats why thers a 1000 gap between them
Doesn't matter what he was supposed to be because in the end, he wasn't. In the end, both are just supervillains, so whatever exception you feel like giving Freeza applies to Cell (and Boo) as well.
yes but when did 'they" decide to continue after frieza ...I bet after AT revealed frieza PL

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