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| Yusuke (@Toguro, tournament, feelings unlocked) Vs. Goku (BoZ) | |
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| Dankness Lava | May 25 2013, 07:25 AM Post #1 |
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Yusuke used spiritual energy much how DB characters do. His Spirit Gun acts just like a ki blast, and it was capable, at the time, of easily blasting through walls. He also had much durability, able to be tossed through concrete with little damage. If you think this is overkill for Goku, tell me from when in Dragon Ball would be a fair fight. |
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| + miguelnuva | May 25 2013, 08:56 AM Post #2 |
 
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I have this yusuke between Piccolo and Goku EODB. |
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| + supersaqer | May 25 2013, 10:19 AM Post #3 |
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I have this Yusuke around 21st TB Goku, or a bit stronger, so he gets tossed out easily. Put him against Chapter Black Yusuke for a better fight. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 25 2013, 11:12 AM Post #4 |
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This Yusuke hasn't shown island level dc/durability or Mach 42+ speeds (although the former may be possible via powerscaling, considering Upper A Classes are country busters). Goku wins easily. This Yusuke is likely on post-Choshinsui Goku's level or so.Goku's speed at that point was barely hypersonic, and his dc/durability isn't shown to be more than Building level. By comparision, Yusuke at the start of the DT already presented speed almost 4x that of 21st TB Goku and presented energy from his Reigan that can be calculated to be town level at the end of the DT, a level that even Piccolo Daimao needed some effort to do. BoZ Goku VS Chapter Black Yusuke would be just as mismatched if referring to post-revivial Yusuke. Upper A Classes were stated to be country busters, which was a feat not achieved by DB characters until Nappa's "welcoming gift". Edited by Captain Cadaver, May 25 2013, 11:46 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | May 26 2013, 02:19 AM Post #5 |
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So how far in DBZ do you guys think the strongest demon, Raizen, could get? |
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| TheACE | May 26 2013, 02:22 AM Post #6 |
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Whew, this a weird one. I'd say Dark Tourney Yusuke, fully powered, trumps Goku to a standstill at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, but somehow I think Reborn Yusuke (The Mazoku form during the End of Chapter Black) is too much for even Goku with the Kaioken Times Four. A prime example of linear warriors and quadratic wizards, Demons and Psychics seem to grow quadratically all the way through their tenure whereas Saiyan power levels are a bit more linear. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 26 2013, 10:47 AM Post #7 |
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S Classes such as Raizen would likely be Continent busters via powerscaling, considering even Upper A Classes being stated to be country busters. http://www.mangareader.net/272-19141-1/yu-yu-hakusho/chapter-147.html Raizen should also be faster than Makai Tournament Yusuke, who presented speed calculated to be roughly Mach 103. Compare that speed to Namek Arc Goku's speed only being calculated as Mach 73. Whilst likely at a disadvantage in power (if taking into account filler feats such as Saiyan Arc Vegeta planet busting), Prime Raizen's speed and stamina should allow him to get past at least the Saiyan Arc of DBZ (minus Oozaru Vegeta). He'd probably by able to get up to the likes of Ginyu riding on those two advantages he has. If taking into account the planet busting hype for S Classes, Raizen should be able to easily get up to initial true form Freeza, perhaps further. DT Yusuke has absolutely no feats to place him on 23rd TB Goku's level, and even initial post-Choshinsui Goku is pushing it (unless you use powerscaling to push Yusuke at that point up to island busting level, and even then he's at a large speed disadvantage). Reborn Yusuke too is only continent level via powerscaling, which even post-Kaio base Goku likely was based on Nappa's "welcoming gift" feat. If you're talking about Raizen possessed Mazoku Yusuke on the other hand, I'd agree with you, given his speed and stamina superiority. |
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| + miguelnuva | May 27 2013, 05:12 AM Post #8 |
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Yusuke's speed, power and durability don't add up the same way DBZ characters due. Anyway I'm still going with 23rd Goku>EODT Yusuke>23rd Piccolo. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 27 2013, 09:01 AM Post #9 |
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There's little difference, if any, between Goku and Piccolo at that time for Yusuke to fit in between, and he dosen't even have the feats to give him such a position. |
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| + supersaqer | May 27 2013, 03:12 PM Post #10 |
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Goku was faster than Kuririn pre-tail, and he got faster post-tail. Kuririn was having a fight with Roshi in about 0.2 seconds. He should be around low hypersonic+ range, and his DC should be Town level via power-scaling as he's not that much far from Giant Mountain buster Roshi. King Piccolo should be a casual capital buster, no less. Yusuke needs the form when he defeated Sensui to be able to defeat Goku. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 27 2013, 04:20 PM Post #11 |
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Energy calculations for Yusuke's Reigan against Toguro show Yusuke/Toguro's energy being at least a town buster. Powerscaling with the statement of Upper A Classes being country busters would leave Town busting as the bare minimum. The same type of calculation for Piccolo Daimao's exhibition for the King (which wasn't a capital buster at all, only his Bakurikimaha was capable of such) is shown to be less than half as strong as Yusuke's Reigan. As for Roshi's "Mountain" buster (which wasn't a giant mountain at all, it was a hill at best) that's as much of a contradictive feat as his moon buster, considering Tenshinhan's Kikoho, which was meant to be leagues above any previous Kamehameha, only presented energy on low City Block level. As for speed, Yusuke's far ahead of 21st TB Goku, or any version of Goku up to at least the 22nd TB. Goku was barely Hypersonic at the 21st TB, whereas even Chu's kick against Initial DT Yusuke presented speed almost 4x that. Edited by Captain Cadaver, May 28 2013, 04:30 AM.
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| + miguelnuva | May 28 2013, 02:15 AM Post #12 |
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Forgiven if I'm wrong but wasn't DT Yusuke with the spirit cuffs on a casual mountain buster and when he fought Toguro they were afraid they could destroy the island. |
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| TheACE | May 28 2013, 02:48 AM Post #13 |
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I know Genkai at the B-Class was disappointed when her blast didn't keep going across "for miles" like it would have when she was back in the upper B-Class. That's only half a step. Yusuke was on the upper side of the B-Class or the lower side of the A Class, with even the lower A-Class being described in a manner similar to Kaiju (You know, guys like Godzilla. "The Size of Shopping Malls and devastating power" to paraphrase Koenma). So I'd say in destructive force, along with just scaling his speed, and his super human stamina (He can fight for a long time, and survived being torn apart by energy from the inside out, even Janemba couldn't figure that out.) I'd say he's plenty tough. He's also even more unpredictable than Goku, and frankly I think he's a bit sharper. Not by much, but sharper. And his bad attitude has to account for something. The cool thing about Yusuke is that he's never actively been stronger than a good handful of his opponents till probably about Dark Tournament (Hiei was much stronger, Kurama could have quartered him, Suzaku had tons more spirit energy and control, Rando handily beat his arse and only lost because he did the spell recklessly, The Tuguro's could have eaten him alive during their first fight, he could barely stay even with Chu and Jin had a massive edge in their fight) So unlike Goku, Yusuke's never really been a power house vs power house sort of guy until very late in the series, he's always won by being clever and fighting smarter. So yeah. I think his stats, feats, style, personality and the way he's portrayed means he should be enough to keep up with Season 5 Goku. Besides, Goku's best attack the Super Kamehameha didn't do anything that Yusuke's Spirit Gun Mega did. So I'd say they're at the least dead even. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 28 2013, 04:34 AM Post #14 |
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That was a dub-exclusive statement, although it was true that Upper A Classes were stated to be country busters, a feat not achieved in DBZ until Nappa's casual blast. However, scaling using that is the only possible thing to put DT Yusuke even close to Goku. He never showed power far above city busting like 23rd TB Goku did and didn't show superior speed feats to that Goku until after his revival in the Chapter Black Arc. |
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