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| EMIYA | May 24 2013, 09:31 PM Post #1 |
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Oh god more Broly but this time I wanted to actually add some stuff that might be helpful to the Main Broly Power thread that's stickied as has been noted, hasn't been updated in a while. I have brought this up before, but it seems to be an occasion that many people are under the lines that Broly has a specific place in power when instead you could easily argue that there are multiple settings that Broly can fit in, mainly due to unclear statements and evidence. Movie 8 Kaio-Sama states that a being even more powerful than all of them (Whether this is intended as just being more powerful overall or is literally more powerful than all of them combined) has decimated the Southern Galaxy. Therefore we know from this statement alone that RSSJ Broly (As LSSJ Broly clearly can't be around due to the power restrainer) either: A.) RSSJ Broly>SSJ Goku B.) RSSJ Broly>SSJ Goku+others. Honestly the second one works well enough I'm just here to give the basics. These are stated facts right here, we know that RSSJ Broly>SSJ Goku>The rest of the cast. We then know that LSSJ Broly>RSSJ Broly>SSJ Goku>The rest of the cast. We also know that Broly by statements of his power, is constantly exerting the full force of his ki, though not necessarily the full effort of his body. We know this because Broly's ki is on constant rise which unless he releases it, we'll end up physically harming himself. Thus it is without a doubt that LSSJ Broly is indeed fighting at his full power. It's not a matter of if he wants to or not, his physical make doesn't allow him to repress himself unless he physically shoots the ki out of his body. A KHH during the Saiyan Arc had a multiplier of about 2.3x. Against his fight with Imperfect Cell, Piccolo notes that Cell's KHH is weaker thus signifying the fact that Cell Games Goku/Movie 8 Goku's KHH has a bigger amplifier from the past. What that is can only be guessed. What we do know is that despite exerting an attack that is >2.3x his normal power, it could do nothing to LSSJ Broly. Thus we know LSSJ Movie 8 Broly>>SSJ Goku (W/ KHH amplifier) now for Movie 10 Broly is stated as an SSJ to be even stronger than SSJ Boo Arc Goku. Broly is stated to have gotten a Zenkai. Broly is stated as an SSJ by Gohan to be as much of a monster as he was before, thus indicating that SSJ Movie 10 Broly>LSSJ Movie 8 Broly. Gohan is stated to have gotten even stronger during his last fight with Broly. We have visual images and evidence that show Gohan is an SSj2. Now here's where the differences come, both can work IMO. 1.) By Gohan's statement of being stronger. Some people infer this to mean he's around or even stronger than he was during the Cell Games. There is no problem with this one bit, works perfectly well. By Broly's feats, it puts him well above the SSJ2 Kid Gohan strength alone and easily puts him well above SSj2 Goku/Majin Vegeta range. Depending on the kind of difference you might have, it may even put him in the Good Boo range. 2.) Gohan's statement is not about him getting stronger overall, but of his increase during his time in movie where he is specifically shown to be much weaker than his Cell Gams self. At this point, Movie 10 Gohan probably is only exerting the same strength of Budokai Self. But with Broly's feats, that still puts him way above Gohan though and from him easily taking on the combined amplified might of 3 Super Saiyan KHHs without breaking a sweat, still puts him in the high end SSJ2 range. Still potentially above Goku and Majin Vegeta, just not as big of a gap as the first one. As for Movie 8 Broly, his position doesn't really change that much. in an overall sense, he's around Full Powered Perfect Cell. Neither too much weaker or too much stronger. And it's far easier in such a case just to say he rivals as that's really what were shown. As for Movie 10 Broly a few things. A.) The absolute weakest Movie 10 Broly might be is around the SSj2 Kid Gohan, Zenkai Perfect Cell and SSj2 Pre-Majin Vegeta range and honestly it's not something I would try to argue, you'd have to seriously push it to make it work, but it is there. B.) Around the middle level, Broly's pretty much exerting the high end SSj2 range, potentially stronger than SSj2 Goku/Majin Vegeta but not necessarily. (As a personal note this is where I usually put him but that's just me) C.) Top: Movie 10 Broly is well above any high end SSj2 tier character (with exception of probably Post Zet-Sword SSj2 Gohan) and thus starts to get potentially in the Good Boo range. Works fine, won't argue against it. And there's my two cents, anything to add? Edited by EMIYA, May 24 2013, 09:36 PM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | May 24 2013, 09:42 PM Post #2 |
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Looks about right to me, do you know how to make Broly only around SSJ2 Kid Gohan range? It seems damn nigh impossible. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | May 24 2013, 09:43 PM Post #3 |
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Well your points are anything I would say and more i think that's what you wrote is the actually true about Brolys powers |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 24 2013, 09:45 PM Post #4 |
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Izanagi!
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Ah, one of Brofist's legendary 50,000 word posts. I go with option C, personally. Great analysis! I'll use it as a reference in future debates. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | May 24 2013, 09:48 PM Post #5 |
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Well know we have proof for some topics about Brolys power thank you Brofist !
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| Zenet | May 24 2013, 09:52 PM Post #6 |
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I would go with option A or B. |
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May 24 2013, 09:59 PM Post #7 |
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I always go with option C. |
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| EMIYA | May 24 2013, 10:06 PM Post #8 |
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It damn night probably is... It's basically a point of making not only Gohan as weak as possible, but putting in relatively huge gaps between everyone else, making SSJ2 just massive above LSSj amplifier, and all whole bunch of probably unnecessary jazz. It's hard work, you have to really push it and honestly in the end you may not be able to make it work. It's just that little potential and I wanted to add it in. |
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May 24 2013, 10:08 PM Post #9 |
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Honestly what you have said has been long confirmed by previous members. The analyzation done a while ago was constructed and came to this conclusion. Edited by Stallin', May 24 2013, 10:08 PM.
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| Sam | May 24 2013, 11:35 PM Post #10 |
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I really am getting more motivated to work on that analysis and make it more up to date, as it is still relevant in many aspects but the conclusion would be significantly different or at least more precise (I kind of left it a little open ended on purpose). I do like what you've put forth here though and am going to bookmark it for reference. |
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May 24 2013, 11:38 PM Post #11 |
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Well in my beliefs, if Gohan claimed that he was ready to take Broly in Gokus' place (in which he stated), knowing full well it took Burst MSSj Goku (whom in my beliefs is around SPC to have one shot LSSj Broly) to defeat Broly, Gohan should be as strong if not stronger than his Cell Games self. Not to mention the fact that Goku is dead, Gohan is stronger than his M8 self, etc. |
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| EMIYA | May 24 2013, 11:48 PM Post #12 |
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I'm also curious on how any of you view the RSSJ form in comparison to his SSJ form. We know the RSSJ form was created due to the effects of Paragus' device. Is there anything whether its in the Daiz. or something else that actually says this form is specifically weaker than the regular SSJ form? Because as far as I know, the RSSJ was merely created by the device to keep Broly's power in check and keep him from releasing his LSSJ form. I guess my question overall is. Does the RSSJ form restrict the direct full power of the SSJ form? Or does it just restrict Broly from reaching his LSSJ form but can still reach the full power of his SSJ form? Edited by EMIYA, May 24 2013, 11:49 PM.
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| SSJ | May 24 2013, 11:50 PM Post #13 |
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I think it lowers his total SSJ power, but there is really no basis behind this claim. |
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| Sam | May 25 2013, 12:02 AM Post #14 |
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I think that the RSSj form is indeed a handicapped version of his Super Saiyan form. While there is no definitive evidence explaining this, Broly repeatedly would power up in this form and became more and more difficult for Paragus to control. This, to me, suggests that the form sort of "capped" his power in some sense. And, when he is first initially transforming into his Legendary Super Saiyan form, Broly seems to "lose control" or power up greatly while in his RSSj form. He clearly was not at full power in his RSSj form because when he powers up after blindsiding base Goku, Goku states that the power he is currently sensing is the one that blew up the south galaxy. Whereas when Broly transforms to Super Saiyan in movie 10 he never powers up again, suggesting he is automatically at full power. Paragus goes to stop Broly in movie 8 after he goes too far (when he is first transforming to LSSj) and is unable to. Which, to me, is further evidence for the idea that the headband capped his Super Saiyan power preventing him from going over a specific "limit" that would overload the device and cause it to be ineffective. |
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| EMIYA | May 25 2013, 12:08 AM Post #15 |
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I can work with that. Do you think the gap between RSSJ and SSJ is one that is significant? 1.2x or larger, or a smaller gap, nothing like 1.04x but 1.10-1.15x. Enough for a difference to be noted but not enough to prove a huge gap. And once the top of the RSSJ form is reached, much more effort has to be put into breaking the SSj gap and then finally reaching LSSJ? |
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